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Bush disagrees with Rumsfeld comment on Muslims

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Posted by Fred 2007-11-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 "An unemployed population is easy to recruit to radicalism." Rumsfeld

Wasn't Mohammed at 25 married to a wealthy merchant woman?

Posted by Crereper Bucket4485 2007-11-02 00:55|| 2007-11-02 00:55|| Front Page Top

#2 Rumsfeld's belief is "not at all in line with the president's views," White House press secretary Dana Penocchio ~~Perino~~ said.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-11-02 01:15|| 2007-11-02 01:15|| Front Page Top

#3 If true, it's not to the president's credit.

Posted by Iblis 2007-11-02 02:07|| 2007-11-02 02:07|| Front Page Top

#4 The House of Saud is made up of cockroaches in human form. To call them lazy parasites, would beggar description of their depravity.

Posted by McZoid 2007-11-02 04:29|| 2007-11-02 04:29|| Front Page Top

#5 The sheiks were adverse to physical labor long before oil wealth became a factor. So, in a sense, Bush is correct.

Posted by mhw 2007-11-02 06:36|| 2007-11-02 06:36|| Front Page Top

#6 True of some Sauds, McZoid, but not of others.

Nayyaf is many things but depraved is not one of them, by most meanings of the term.

Posted by lotp 2007-11-02 06:38|| 2007-11-02 06:38|| Front Page Top

#7 Hey! What's with bashing(sic) cockroaches?

Posted by Skidmark 2007-11-02 07:41|| 2007-11-02 07:41|| Front Page Top

#8 It has long been a arab custom to raid other tribes for slaves and make them do the hard work. Not working = physical wealth/success. Much like our own capitalistic keeping up with the Jones' tendencies. While this has helped keep us viewing a good work ethic as positive, the opposite has happened in the arab world. It is better to get some other sucker to do the work for you.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-11-02 09:12|| 2007-11-02 09:12|| Front Page Top

#9 "oil wealth has made Muslims averse to physical labor."

The Philippine government reports that of the 43000 Filipino maids working in Saudi Arabia, about 4000 seek their embassy's assistance each year.
http://www.time.com/time/international/1995/951023/justice.html

George, just like your blindness to the murder, robbery and rape by illegals in this country because you're focused on Maria and her kids, the rest of us down in the trenches see something entirely different.

A Saudi man convicted of sexually assaulting an Indonesian housekeeper and keeping her as a virtual slave was sentenced yesterday to 27 years to life in prison in Colorado.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012947.php

I know, it wasn't oil, he made his money in the early distribution of iPods, right?

Why don't you ask your Pentagon officials why the Saudis just picked up ~~Soviet~~ Russian equipment, the low end stuff that requires a lot less maintenance and up keep than Western stuff.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-11-02 09:41|| 2007-11-02 09:41|| Front Page Top

#10 Bush is bucking for the moron award with statements like this, which are PC but untrue. Like his border idiocy and asskissing of Mexico.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-11-02 11:04|| 2007-11-02 11:04|| Front Page Top

#11 I dont think its fair to accuse all muslims of a social phenomenon largely restricted to KSA and the gulf states.

Israeli joke:
Old man takes his city born grandson on a tour of the kibbutz.
"See those buildings over there? I built them with my own hands"
"Grandpa, I didnt know you were an Arab."

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-11-02 12:48|| 2007-11-02 12:48|| Front Page Top

#12 I can't remember what the river's name is but is separates Israel from the Palos. On the Israel side the fields are lush and fertile. On the Palo side it is a dust bin.

Darth is right, slave labor has been a main stay in the culture (Sudan post yesterday) for a millenia.

Wasn't Mohammed at 25 married to a wealthy merchant woman?

Yes. muhamhead was a leach all his adult life down to the last minute. From the raids in Medina to his Jewish slave girl who may have poisoned him.

Regardless Bush shouldn't have wasted his time commenting on this. Not all countries and muzzies are averse to labor but slavery and murder are part of the foundation of the moon goddess cult.

I'm sure Zen will jump in here with some more historical references.

Have a great weekend!

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-11-02 13:07|| 2007-11-02 13:07|| Front Page Top

#13 P.J. O'Rourke:

"The Saudi's are the laziest people on the planet. We had a standing bet in the press pool that the first person to see a Saudi lift anything heavier than money would win the bet -- nobody won"

Posted by James">James 2007-11-02 14:14|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2007-11-02 14:14|| Front Page Top

#14 The White House on Thursday sympathized with Arab-Americans who took offense to a memo that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wrote saying that "oil wealth has made Muslims averse to physical labor." Rumsfeld's belief is "not at all in line with the president's views," White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

Perish the thought of the Master Race getting its hands dirty. Also, complaining that this is a smear on all Muslims misses the important qualification that Rumsfeld made with respect to "oil wealth". I'm certain there are many hard-working Muslims in the less fortunate Arab nations. However, our attentionand that of Rumsfeld's memo is and rightly should be focused upon those who are most capable and most desirous of doing us harm. Petro-dollar fueled Saudi terrorism conducted by elitist royals who view themselves as ubermensch are those people.

I'd also say that a quick examination of all the big Arab oil exporters would validate Rumsfeld's observation. Moreover, Darth absolutely nails the more pervasive syndrome. Much like the colonial Spanish, Islam is the spawn of a looting culture.

It has long been a arab custom to raid other tribes for slaves and make them do the hard work. Not working = physical wealth/success. Much like our own capitalistic keeping up with the Jones' tendencies. While this has helped keep us viewing a good work ethic as positive, the opposite has happened in the arab world. It is better to get some other sucker to do the work for you.

It is this prestige of both control and avoidance of manual labor that stands at the root of why the Islamic world is so economically, technologically, spiritually and mentally retarded. Without direct application of themselves to everyday problem solving it is their slaves who were obliged to make whatever innovations that have been made. This does not lend well to any sort of industrial revolution as can easily be seen in both Islam and Spain to this very day. A cursory survey of how even the fabulously wealthy Saudis cannot keep operate and maintain something so rudimentary as an oil refinery stands as stark proof of this.

The yawning gulf that is the discrepancy between Jewish and Muslim Nobel Prizes stands as searing testimony to this simple fact. Even more difficult to disregard is how the recent Nobel Prizes won by Muslims like Arafat and ElBaradei rank as some of the most farcical and ludicrous awards given in modern times. Arafat and ElBaradei epitomize how deceit and manipulation are glorified in Islamic culture just as the immensely negative downward ramifications of aversion to physical labor and retrogressive culture are direct manifestations of this.

Bush's decline into Muslim appeaser and apologist is nothing short of revolting.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-11-02 15:00|| 2007-11-02 15:00|| Front Page Top

#15 While this has helped keep us viewing a good work ethic as positive, the opposite has happened in the arab world. It is better to get some other sucker to do the work for you.

This happens here too, it's called Employees, bosses do no work, the peons do it all, and the bosses get rich.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-11-02 15:22|| 2007-11-02 15:22|| Front Page Top

#16 "can't remember what the river's name is but is separates Israel from the Palos. On the Israel side the fields are lush and fertile. On the Palo side it is a dust bin."

You can't cause there isnt any. If it were, it would make the whole fence thingie a helluva lot simpler.

I dont know what youre talking about.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-11-02 15:26|| 2007-11-02 15:26|| Front Page Top

#17 geepers creepers!!!

In the 1970s and 1980s Pal day laborers became the MAIN source of labor on Israeli contruction sites, and remained so till the intifadah made Pal labour supply too unreliable (too many border closings) and caused Israel to use east asian and balkan guest workers instead. The US imports labor, Europe does, even Japan does now, I think. Its simply a logical response to having a high wage economy.

The Saudis are different cause they got their wealth from oil, not from economic development. Which is a big issue for KSA society, I agree, but its not some huge thing about muslims. You think Bengalis dont to manual labor? Malaysians? I mean WTF?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-11-02 15:30|| 2007-11-02 15:30|| Front Page Top

#18 "Too often Muslims are against physical labor, so they bring in Koreans and Pakistanis

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-11-02 15:31|| 2007-11-02 15:31|| Front Page Top

#19 were these like, Presbyterian Pakistanis?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-11-02 15:31|| 2007-11-02 15:31|| Front Page Top

#20 That's a little over the top. All those Bengalis aren't exactly oil rich.

He screwed up saying Muslims. He's using that the word Muslim when he should have used the words oil rich Arabs.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-11-02 15:42|| 2007-11-02 15:42|| Front Page Top

#21 What Mike N. said, you know what he meant.

Posted by Thomas Woof 2007-11-02 18:21|| 2007-11-02 18:21|| Front Page Top

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