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2007-10-17 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Steve White 2007-10-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Can we put Rudy's foreign policy stance together with Fred's down home appeal on domestic issues?

That'd sure be nice. Hillary might still be evil and ugly enough to convince me to vote for Rudy but I'm having a very hard time with it. I'm tempted to just stay home and let Hillary have it just to teach guys like Giuliani a lesson. My hope would be that after four years of Hillary we would get a real conservative in 2012. It'd be kinda like 1976 when conservatives stayed home and let Carter have it. That was a disaster but at least we eventually got Reagan.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-17 13:44|| 2007-10-17 13:44|| Front Page Top

#2 "You've got to know with whom to negotiate and with whom you should not negotiate."

When I saw this line, all that the soundtrack in my head heard was Kenny Rogers: " You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them...." dammit.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2007-10-17 14:05|| 2007-10-17 14:05|| Front Page Top

#3 like 1976 when conservatives stayed home and let Carter have it. That was a disaster but at least we eventually got Reagan.

We also got the fall of the Shah, the embassy ransacked, the rise of the Mullahs in Teheran, and lots lots more. Including the attack on our embassy in Lebanon and Reagan's withdrawl of our troops there.

Posted by lotp 2007-10-17 14:47|| 2007-10-17 14:47|| Front Page Top

#4 What lotp said. But this time Iran comes out the other side with nuclear weapons.

No. No. No.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-10-17 14:53|| 2007-10-17 14:53|| Front Page Top

#5 Democrats are drawing moral equivalency between U.S. allies such as Israel and enemy countries and terrorists

Short of Fred Thompson, I don't know where else I've seen this sort of bluntly spoken language. This is not just refreshing, it is invigorating and should be energizing national political debate.

I'm tempted to just stay home and let Hillary have it just to teach guys like Giuliani a lesson.

Ebbang Uluque, everywhere else you come across as a reasonably sane person. Puhleeeze, don't even consider this sort of madness. lotp and Excalibur both nail it, we DO NOT have four years to squander upon rubbing the nose of America's democratic party in its own dung. Time is of the essence in making the MME (Muslim Middle East) see the light of ~~fusion~~ reason.

"Holding [Arafat] on a morally equivalent plane to like the prime minister of Israel, like these two people were equal, was a terrible, terrible mistake," he said, adding he thinks that approach set Middle East peace back at least a decade.

The man gets it. Even treating with a terrorist taqiyya spewing thug like Arafat gave him legitimacy and credibility that both emboldened Muslim terrorists in general and eroded all chance of bringing what few moderates there might have beenif any even or ever existed at allto the forefront of mediation.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-17 15:34|| 2007-10-17 15:34|| Front Page Top

#6 We also got the fall of the Shah, the embassy ransacked, the rise of the Mullahs in Teheran, and lots lots more.

That's why I said it was a disaster. But what if Ford had won and Reagan never ran again? (Don't get me wrong here. I liked Ford. I voted for him. But then, he was no Giuliani.)

My fear is that Hillary will continue to flip-flop, waver and equivocate her way to the center or even to the right on issues like Iraq and Iran. At that point voters may not see much difference between her and Giuliani especially with Giuliani's liberal tendencies on issues like abortion, immigration and gun control. The election then becomes a beauty contest between Rudy and the Hildebeast. If Rudy wins, illegal immigration will continue unabated and tax-payer funded abortion on demand will be the law of the land forever. I have a problem with that. No Republican from that time forward will dare to challenge it. But if Hillary wins we might get a candidate in 2012 who sees the advantage to using these issues to differentiate himself from the incumbent. Voters will then be sick of Hillary the same way they were sick of Carter and we might have a chance to get back on track providing, of course, that Hillary has gotten us all killed.

Hey, don't blame me. I live in California and all of California's electoral votes will go to Hillary no matter what I do. I'm just saying that might not be the case if a Republican candidate took a strong position against illegal immigration. New Yorkers may not care but that is a big, big issue here. That was one of the reasons why Arnold beat the crap out of his crooked little predecessor Gray Davis who, as you may recall, wanted to issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens. Arnold promised to put the kibosh on that one and he kept his promise. Republicans can win in California but they have to be the right Republican.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-17 16:16|| 2007-10-17 16:16|| Front Page Top

#7 providing, of course, that Hillary has ~~NOT~~ gotten us all killed.

I thought I proof read that. Sorry.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-10-17 16:19|| 2007-10-17 16:19|| Front Page Top

#8 In a major foreign policy speech to the Republican Jewish Coalition in Washington

Interestingly, an article by Jennifer Rubin, who was there, notes,
Five of the Republican presidential contenders made appearances yesterday at the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC). Republicans hoping to win in 2008 would certainly like to improve their support among Jewish voters who traditionally have favored Democrats by large margins.

The writer continues with some interesting history:
Matthew Brooks, Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, told me he thinks Republicans have an opportunity in 2008 to increase their support among Jewish voters. Although Democratic Presidential candidates have won the large majority of Jewish voters, Brooks sees a pattern of improvement over the last four elections from George HW Bushs 11% share of the Jewish vote to the last election in which George Bush by some tallies got the support of a quarter of the Jewish voters.

Ms. Rubin goes on to detail the highlights of each of the five candidates' talks. I found it interesting to see what they thought Jewish Republicans would want to hear.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-10-17 19:14|| 2007-10-17 19:14|| Front Page Top

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