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US State Dept condemns Tancredo comments

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Posted by Seafarious 2007-08-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top
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#1 Asked if he was talking about bombing Mecca, Tancredo replied: "Yeah."

And the congressman and presidential candidate is not backing down from these comments. He told an audience in Iowa today, almost exactly two years later, that as president he would advocate the very same position.

"W" are you listening?

Posted by Besoeker 2007-08-04 00:18|| 2007-08-04 00:18|| Front Page Top

#2 Nope, I'm talking to Baker.

Posted by W 2007-08-04 00:22|| 2007-08-04 00:22|| Front Page Top

#3 I really like Tancredo. Simple and honest. A leader on illegals. Now out front on the Muzz. The gawddamned State Dept. wussies ought to listen up and quit worrying about kissing Saudi asses.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter2970 2007-08-04 00:45|| 2007-08-04 00:45|| Front Page Top

#4 Foggy bottom has been an enemy of the US people for far too long.

Posted by 3dc 2007-08-04 00:47|| 2007-08-04 00:47|| Front Page Top

#5 NEWSMAX > OBAMA has reportedly argued that [as POTUS?]the USA will never resort to using nukes in response to terror events, ostensibly including terror events inside the USA proper. WHile nice and PC for the home folks, Terrorists + suppor anti-US Govts will interprete Obama's message as THEY CAN USE NUKES-WMDS AGZ THE USA WID NO FEAR OF EQUAL OR HIGHER US RETALIATION, i.e. THE USA WILL RESPOND ONLY WITH CONVENTIONAL NON-NUCLEAR ASSETS. REGARDLESS OF MAGNITUDE OF DAMAGE + CASUALTIES, THE USA CANNOT RESPOND WITH ITS FULL FORCE/MIGHT???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-08-04 01:09|| 2007-08-04 01:09|| Front Page Top

#6 Do you need more Vaseline, Foggy Bottoms?

Posted by twobyfour 2007-08-04 01:11|| 2007-08-04 01:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Er, the State Dept should STFU. They are s'posed to carry out the President's foreign policy, not lecture candidates.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-08-04 01:17|| 2007-08-04 01:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Driving home today, talk radio... out of San Antonio, a guest host in for a local regular. I'm listening, he's talking to some Demo that turned out to be a "Professor of Psychology" advising Demos.

Anyway, I've never heard this substitue local before..... didn't pay much attention (should have been listening to the Book on Tape in my CD player and my blood pressure wouldn't have risen so high)

Anyway, guest host, not the "expert" goes into this long monologue of how he has studied all the presidents, and studied those that had intelligence, and those that didn't. He has come to the conclusion, that the Ppesidents with the most intelligence, have been the most successful.

Then, his stunning moment. He states he voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, but has finally come to realize, Bush just doesn't have the intellect for the job. He just doesn't. Stated he has finally decided, "Bush is just way over his head in this job. He's never had the mental intellect to be president. He just doesn't know what he is doing."

His answer as to the current candidate for president, based on their intellect? It's Obama... just a genius fellow, he just has to be a great president! The smartest person of all the candiates in the current race! Intellect.... it's the new black.....

I got some friends with lots of intellect. I'll take common sense any day.

I turned him off! Didn't just change the station. Turned the entire system, radio... OFF

It's gonna be a long time till Nov 2008.

Posted by Sherry">Sherry 2007-08-04 01:57|| 2007-08-04 01:57|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm still steamed over this.

I just added the proper graphic to this piece... the Interservices Press Release.

If PakiWakiland don't like the comments of our candidates, maybe they oughta ask themselves Why They Hate Us.

The American People are entitled to know what their presidential candidates are thinking, foreign-policy wise.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-08-04 02:05|| 2007-08-04 02:05|| Front Page Top

#10 I would prefer more proactive approach than Tancredo has on his mind. His is a version of MAD, tailored to our times and circumstances.

Imagine if one day the Ka'aba stone (meteorite really), placed in its silver vagina enclosure, was simply gone. Poof!

It would be interesting to watch how it would reacted to in the Dar-ul-Islam. Probably there would be many mohammedans that would see it as a legitimate sign that what they adhered to was false, as they always suspected but kept to themselves.

So, are there means to do it? The "Rod from God" is one. Some problems with precise targetting, but some form of flexible correctional navigation is possible, even with the speed that this device would acquire for its strike. The effect would have almost supernatural character--as the rod would travel through the atmosphere, it would collect a static charge due to the electric potential differences in upper layers and the surface (Ka'ba, in our case). For all practical purposes, it would appear as if a lightning bolt would strike the object. The rod itself would not be noticed, not at it's approach because of a small crossection of about 1ft, nor at the time of impact, as the discharges would take place in the approach and obscure the rod. The rod would pulverize anything within 0.5m to 0.7m perimeter and continue about another 120 feet through the ground (less if there is a basalt stratum to meet it). There would be a slight cave-in, in the place of impact, a crater of sorts about 2ft deep in the center, but nothing else would indicate that any object just went through this location. The electrostatic discharges may continue for some 10 to 20 seconds and about at that time, the sound reminding of thunder will catch up with the event. The rod would heat up some, but not as much as for instance meteorites or bolides, as its path is straight as opposed to usual largely parallel-to-surface path of heavenly bodies that have to travel a great deal of distance through the atmosphere, and it is tipped with DU, functioning as ballast, a thermal shield and finally as a hammer.

There may be another way--no lightning show/thunder, no effects whatsoever, beyond the fact that one moment the Ka'aba stone will be still there, another it will be gone. Poof. Like magic. This option is still in a theoretical stage, although devices based on the same principle have been already constructed and tested (don't try to find in in journals/papers, there were some good reasons that these experiments were not published in that form, except in one obscure book of a limited edition and buried under pages of unrelated stuff... one of main reasons was a potential for misuse--there is a "side effect" that may be not desired if there are many uses, another was that the physics of it is a tad unorthodox). Unfortunately, the device, as it has been constructed, has some constraints that would make it unsuitable for this particular project... it may work, but the "side effect" would be a prominent feature... but where there's a will, there's a way to make it an equivalent of a surgeon's scalpel (as the precision goes, that is where the similarity ends).

Posted by Beldar Ulenter7271 2007-08-04 04:11|| 2007-08-04 04:11|| Front Page Top

#11 the State Department press gaggle

heh, heh.

Posted by AT 2007-08-04 04:26|| 2007-08-04 04:26|| Front Page Top

#12 State still pays the Islamic Society of North America, consultation fees on "Islamic affairs" even though their central committee is: CAIR.

Posted by McZoid 2007-08-04 05:45|| 2007-08-04 05:45|| Front Page Top

#13 #10 - if the Kaaba vanished in the manner you described, it wouldn't be for long. By a miracle it would reappear, either there or elsewhere, and some Islamic sleight-of-mind would fill in the gaps. Allahu akhbar! Just take a few days, is all. Black stones are a dime a dozen.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-08-04 06:53|| 2007-08-04 06:53|| Front Page Top

#14 Or it would be replaced with a Red Sea fish that has pattern reminding of Alahu Ackbar on its side. I wonder how long the fish would last, though. Maybe they have to leave it for several days in formaldehyde and encast in clear resin. Then position it in such a way that the worshippers would kiss it on its mouth.

Already then. Let's nuke it. ;-)

Maybe we don't have to. There is an old Arab prophecy form 10th century, or rather a fragment, that says the Mecca/Medina would be burned by fire and dust (burned by dust also) that there will be nothing left alive, plant, animals, nor people and the places would be just heaps of rubble. The deed would be done by muslims that would unite against the rulers of Mecca when Khalifate would be in its most powerfull form, it says.

Ah..... why wait? ;-)

Posted by twobyfour 2007-08-04 07:24|| 2007-08-04 07:24|| Front Page Top

#15 In order to hold pilgrimages - an excuse for clerics to assert their authority - pious idiots need a destination. For Muslims, Mecca is their deity's contact point with earth, thus it is indestructible according to their dogma. If we destroyed it, Islam would go the way of Druidism and Egyptian and South American sun worship.

Posted by McZoid 2007-08-04 10:09|| 2007-08-04 10:09|| Front Page Top

#16 The State Department must have really got their collective panties in a wad when Reagan joked about the USSR being gone in 5 minutes. "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
__President Reagan on live radio, August 1984. Bunch of wuzzies in State. Do your job whatever it is and STFU about the candidates. We have an American way. Screw the Saudis and what they think. They have been complicit in terrorism for a long while. They ain't such great allies. Let em think they might lose Mecca or some other holy site. So far, the muzzies haven't really paid much of a price--a price that gets their attention.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-08-04 10:13|| 2007-08-04 10:13|| Front Page Top

#17 Tell us that story again, Unca Beldar!

But seriously, folks. Someone should pin a medal on Tancredo. It's long past tea for some very explicit messages to be sent Islam's way. Many need to include various visions of a world no longer plagued by Muslim terrorism. More than a few need to include specific reference to a world no long plagued by Muslims, period. At all. Ever again.

Islam continues to violently agitate for its own demise. At some point it will force us to oblige its death wish. The 9-11 atrocity should have been a significant tipping point, yet it was not. One more atrocity like 9-11, Bali, Madrid or London should result in some brutal and drastically disproportionate retaliations. Islam needs to spend the next several decades walking on eggshells if it wants to survive. I have ZERO expectation that Muslims will be able to contain their violence in order to avoid such an outcome. There is no coin of sufficiently small denomination that I would deign to bet on Islam being around in another 100 years.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-04 10:25|| 2007-08-04 10:25|| Front Page Top

#18 The Euros and others are posting this video of a savage caning as corporal punishment in Muslim Malaysia. The Malay Tamil website that first posted it, was shut down by the authorities. I will leave it as cut-and-paste; the Mods might want it sink trapped. Their call.

http://www.pockyway.com/2007/08/02/malaysia-caning-judicial-corporal-punishment/

Posted by McZoid 2007-08-04 10:38|| 2007-08-04 10:38|| Front Page Top

#19 #17 Zen what you write is so incredibly concise and spot on to me. You are one the primary reasons I love Rantburg. I hope you don't mind but I must admit plagiarizing many of posts your on other sites where they don't "get it". FYI I always use these little thingies "" when I do

Posted by Glosh Jomose1033 2007-08-04 11:21|| 2007-08-04 11:21|| Front Page Top

#20 Thank you very much, Glosh. I'm honored that you think so. Others here are better at it than I and their work is what draws me to this site as well. By the way, welcome to Rantburg.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-04 11:31|| 2007-08-04 11:31|| Front Page Top

#21 Been a fan for YEARS of RB I mainly post snark comments. I find the level of discourse here beyond reproach and the incredible knowledge of the posters inspiring. I had clear my conscience.

Posted by Glosh Jomose1033 2007-08-04 11:43|| 2007-08-04 11:43|| Front Page Top

#22 Actually, Foggy Bottom is just taking a page out of the Arab playbook. Let me explain:

1) Tancredo spoke in English
2) State spoke in Arabic

Each side hears what they want :-)

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-08-04 11:55|| 2007-08-04 11:55|| Front Page Top

#23 #21 Been a fan for YEARS of RB I mainly post snark comments.

Nasal snorting during laughter resulting from "snark" releases synaptic vesicules or neurotransmitters in upright primates that stimulate thought, rapid recall, and discourse. It's all good.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-08-04 12:09|| 2007-08-04 12:09|| Front Page Top

#24 Besoker you're a fave as well. Oh and AIRBORNE god I hated Columbus!

Posted by Glosh Jomose1033 2007-08-04 12:12|| 2007-08-04 12:12|| Front Page Top

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