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2007-07-04 Afghanistan

Afghan clerics demand nationwide Sharia enforcement

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Posted by Fred 2007-07-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top
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#1 While capital punishment is proof positive against recitivism, I don't know that trying to be more like Pakistan is a good recipe for societal success. If you do decide to go that route, though, certainly go with the stoning option. Go big or go home. If your going to do capital punishment make sure everybody participates. Just be sure that the younger kids are restricted to stones two pounds and under, unless the tribe has budgetted extra funds for Tommy John surgery.

Posted by Super Hose 2007-07-04 01:41|| 2007-07-04 01:41|| Front Page Top

#2 Nationwide shari'a law would be in direct violation of Afghanistan's contitution and their written agreement to the International Human Rights Convention per membership in the UN. Gather these clerics for a nice little jirga and lob in some JDAMs. These Islamic scum are our enemies. If Afghanistan wants shari'a law so badly, we should pull out all coalition troops and let them enjoy the filth of Taliban crapulence.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-04 04:30|| 2007-07-04 04:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Zenster, I'm afraid shari'a is not only consistent with Afghanistan's constitution, but commanded by it:

Article 3 [Law and Religion]
In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.

Article 149 [Islam, Fundamental Rights]
(1) The provisions of adherence to the fundamentals of the sacred religion of Islam and the regime of the Islamic Republic cannot be amended.

I.e. the only law that's valid is shari'a, and that's the only part of the constitution that can't be changed. This was brought to my attention by 10th Mountain legal types, who seem to be the only ones to have noticed this teeny-tiny little problem.

Posted by exJAG 2007-07-04 09:17|| 2007-07-04 09:17|| Front Page Top

#4 We allowed the Iraqis to put similae language in their constitution as well, though I'm not sure about the amendment language.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-07-04 09:38|| 2007-07-04 09:38|| Front Page Top

#5 Are we wasting our time with those assholes?

Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-07-04 10:34|| 2007-07-04 10:34|| Front Page Top

#6 The West need to say loudly, in one voice, "sharia IS NOT LAW and anywhere it is declared, bombs will rain down for weeks." Ain't gonna happen, but it should...

Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek 2007-07-04 10:46|| 2007-07-04 10:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Are we wasting our time with those assholes?

Until/unless India absorbs Pakistan in a bloody slaughter, there's value to our being on that side of Iran as well as in Iraq and making an effort to stabilize the area against the Talibani, I think. And it has NATO operating, however creakily, to a degree.

Where the cost/benefit tradeoff lies, though ... I guess we'll find out over the next year or so as Musharraf probably falls and we see what happens then.

shrug

Posted by lotp 2007-07-04 10:56|| 2007-07-04 10:56|| Front Page Top

#8 I.e. the only law that's valid is shari'a, and that's the only part of the constitution that can't be changed.

So what I'm reading is that their constitutional amendment for protection of religious freedom was merely lip service to gain entry into the UN and appease the Western powers who pulled their stones out of the fire.

The West need to say loudly, in one voice, "sharia IS NOT LAW and anywhere it is declared, bombs will rain down for weeks."

I concur with M. Murcek. Civilized countries need to enforce a ban on shari'a law. As the current pinnacle of it, Iran needs to be dismantled first. Why we allowed, yes allowed, Iraq to even pursue such nonsense is beyond me. We should have simply told them that such a notion was not compatible with Coalition aims and that all troops would be withdrawn if they insisted upon it.

There remain a substantial number of foreign policy morons who have not made the connection between shari'a law and Islamic extremism. Islamic theocracy and global terrorism are joined at the hip. Wherever shari'a is instituted massive human rights abuses are sure to follow.

It should be pretty clear by now that Islam and shari'a are inseparable. This is why I regard any existing Islamic reform as only being in the direction of even greater radicalism. Islamic "purity" is a code word for ethnic cleansing and totalitarianism. Shari'a is a major component of that "purity" and must not be tolerated in any free society.

Islam's promotion of shari'a makes it totally incompatible with all notions of liberty and freedom that the West has fought so hard to enshrine. Either we conclude that Islam must be prohibited as the massive abuse of human rights that it is or concede that our Constitution can be trumped by this barbaric puffed up totalitarian code.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-04 13:33|| 2007-07-04 13:33|| Front Page Top

#9 Well, look on the bright side. Afghanistan is averaging a new constitution every 15 years or so.

Posted by exJAG 2007-07-04 14:51|| 2007-07-04 14:51|| Front Page Top

#10 There is no way to make light out of darkness.

We can not ban Sharia law in fundamentalist Islamic places any more than we can build democracies where the preconditions for democracy do not exist (free press, human rights, property rights, etc.) It is a form of madness which some must experience before they can reject it.

Law is an expression of culture. The only hope of undermining the culture which produces Sharia lies in demonstrating the link between Sharia and societal regress, human rights abuses, and ultimately death. If education can not accomplish this, nothing can.

Posted by Grumenk Philalzabod0723 2007-07-04 15:04|| 2007-07-04 15:04|| Front Page Top

#11 We can not ban Sharia law in fundamentalist Islamic places any more than we can build democracies where the preconditions for democracy do not exist (free press, human rights, property rights, etc.) It is a form of madness which some must experience before they can reject it.

This should not prevent us from instituting economic sanctions and disaster aid prohibitions against all countries that enshrine shari'a law. The West had better begin making shari'a a source of great discomfort for those who practice it.

If education can not accomplish this, nothing can.

Education is one of the few things that can possibly achieve such an end. Sadly, we do not have the luxury of waiting for such a glacial process to succeed. Islam's quest for WMDs makes it a paramount threat which must be addressed without delay. The best we can hope for is to retard the progress of Muslim majority countries such that they no longer pose any sort of military or terrorist threat.

A dedicated campaign of harsh penalties against Muslim majority countries for their massive abuses of human rights would serve to make their populations aware of how disadvantageous a role Islam plays in their lives. We need to make advancing Islam's agenda acquire the same global reputation as the practice of cannibalism.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-04 15:37|| 2007-07-04 15:37|| Front Page Top

#12 Only one execution???

Get that man out of office immediately and put someone in that realizes that sometimes people need to die. Any Taliban that gets caught in Afghanistan should be put to death after a fair (by Afghanistan standards) and more importantly, speedy trial. Make it known to the Taliban, if you get caught in Afghanistan, you die. End of story.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-07-04 20:40|| 2007-07-04 20:40|| Front Page Top

#13 Excellent picture by the way. I'm sure Frank appreciates it very much.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-07-04 20:42|| 2007-07-04 20:42|| Front Page Top

#14 it's in my CD player!...heh

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-07-04 20:50|| 2007-07-04 20:50|| Front Page Top

#15 Didn't know you were a foxtrot kinda guy. Had you pegged for rocknroll.

I did the foxtrot once while I was grouse hunting. Scared the crap out of me the little bugger. So I shot it.

Frank, don't play that disc near me.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-07-04 21:04|| 2007-07-04 21:04|| Front Page Top

#16 LOL - it's a Metallica remake

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-07-04 21:05|| 2007-07-04 21:05|| Front Page Top

#17 Ululululu, eeexit light, ululululu, eeenter night...

Posted by Mike N. 2007-07-04 21:09|| 2007-07-04 21:09|| Front Page Top

#18 Enter Sandman - redux...

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-07-04 21:12|| 2007-07-04 21:12|| Front Page Top

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