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2007-01-22 Britain

Dr. Daniel Pipes And Douglas Murray Triumph Over "Red" Ken Livingstone In London Debate

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Posted by ryuge 2007-01-22 06:21|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Interesting post. Red Ken really is a muzzie-lover of the highest order. His plan of having an immigrants' amnesty in London was soundly defeated in a Beeb phone poll last week, too. Maybe people are realising he's lost the plot.

Posted by Howard UK 2007-01-22 07:59|| 2007-01-22 07:59|| Front Page Top

#2 2 observations:

1. I google'd this and found there was NO media coverage.

2. it won't matter.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2007-01-22 08:30|| 2007-01-22 08:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Livingstone is a communist, communists control the media in the EU and I am coming to belive to a large extent here in the US. It's an empty victory.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-01-22 08:42|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2007-01-22 08:42|| Front Page Top

#4 I also have argued from the start that this is a clash between barbarism and civilization. The two cannot coexist, because civilization offers a better way of doing just about everything--as judged by everyone, the civilized man as well as the primitive.

And thus, the only way those individuals who are invested in barbarism can keep their "way", is to utterly destroy civilization--if for no other reason that to give no alternative from which to choose.

All of this is seen in Islam today. They bitterly hate democracy, though it is plainly obvious that it is better. They hate learning. They hate economic development. They end up hating all that is good in life and worshiping death, chaos and anarchy.

They must threaten Muslims with death if they leave, or great brutality if they stray. But they know they cannot keep civilization out--it is too strong to wall off, though they try.

So they must destroy civilization, or they know that civilization will destroy them. And Islam is hemorrhaging followers--2 MILLION a year are leaving their religion and converting to Christianity alone. If they can leave, they do leave. And just ceasing to be Muslims is not enough--they want to discard all its trappings, to be able to say that they are NOT Muslims, they are Christians.

Though this is greeted by Christians, it is not for love of Christianity. It for their utter revulsion with barbarism, with failure, with Islam. It is for the desire of civility.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-22 11:53|| 2007-01-22 11:53|| Front Page Top

#5 The only way for the rest of us to deal with those invested "in promoting barbarism" is to rub them out. It'll be a long time before the electorate gets to that point.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-01-22 14:40|| 2007-01-22 14:40|| Front Page Top

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