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2006-12-07 Iraq
Baker wants Israel excluded from regional conference
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Posted by Steve White 2006-12-07 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Mr. Baker managed to slide in a reference to the so-called "Palestinian Right of Return" as well. link. Thank goodness I'll never be in a position to refuse to invite him to my home.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-12-07 00:15||   2006-12-07 00:15|| Front Page Top

#2 I want Mr Baker a private citizen just like me, to STFU and sit down, he is a leading surrenderist and part of the SOS. He needs to be back retired and out of the public lime light.

Israel is not the problem. This Arabist asshole Baker will never see that. Perhaps he thinks a cake will sooth Amanutjob? Ossama?
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-12-07 00:41|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2006-12-07 00:41|| Front Page Top

#3 BAKER + HAMILTON have already said on FOX that they expect nothing new from Iran or Syria, even iff rhetoric or proposals to contrary. They don't expect Iran or Syria to substantively abide by any peace initiatives. IOW, a "peace conference" would only be "going thru the Motions" with no one expecting anything to change or be resolved.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-12-07 01:42||   2006-12-07 01:42|| Front Page Top

#4 Baker and his ilk embody everything I despise about the State Dept mentality.
Posted by .com 2006-12-07 01:56||   2006-12-07 01:56|| Front Page Top

#5 “As Baker sees this, the conference would provide a unique opportunity for the United States to strike a deal without Jewish pressure,” an official said. “This has become the most hottest proposal examined by the foreign policy people over the last month.”

Not only would “Jewish pressure” be absent, but also any sense of moral or ethical responsibility. That always facilitates dealing with Arabs.

“Baker sees his plan as containing something for everybody, except perhaps the Israelis,” the official said. “The Syrians would get back the Golan, the Iranians would get U.S. recognition and the Saudis would regain their influence, particularly with the Palestinians.”

While our betrayal of the Israelis in return for very temporary Arab cooperation, more commonly known as terrorist appeasement, would properly haunt us for decades. We might gain some short-term approbation in the MME (Muslim Middle East) for stabbing Israel in the back this way, but the only long-term result would be to have forever made ourselves a complete and total laughingstock in the eyes of our terrorist enemies. We would permanently lose all credibility and face in any future dealings. Whatever shortcomings Bush may have, I truly doubt he is unable to see this as being the final upshot.

Iran and Syria should be shown only one thing, the back of our hand.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-07 02:23||   2006-12-07 02:23|| Front Page Top

#6 I thought the Baker report appalling on so many levels that I didn't know where to begin. The strategy seems to be, let's throw Israel to the wolves and see if that solves the problem. Ignorant and stupid are far too weak words for this arrant nonsense.

Verlaine nailed it yesterday, when he said Iraq's problems originate in Iraq. While those in the region are fuelling it for their own ends, the solution is in Iraq. And BTW, the solution is a federal Iraq with homogenous moreorless populations in the different entities. Failure to recognize this merely drags out the whole thing. The MSM will scream about ethnic cleansing but who cares.
Posted by phil_b 2006-12-07 02:50||   2006-12-07 02:50|| Front Page Top

#7 The strategy seems to be, let's throw Israel to the wolves and see if that solves the problem.

Bingo. Losing Congress, Rumsfeld, and Bolton is depressing. Watching world leaders reach consensus on sacrificing the Jews for an illusory peace is chilling. Not just the fact itself, which is awful enough, but given what usually comes next.

It's been exactly 65 years since Pearl Harbor, long enough to learn the lessons of WWII and forget them again. Guess that means we're due for another good smiting. Idiots, the lot of em.
Posted by exJAG 2006-12-07 07:50||   2006-12-07 07:50|| Front Page Top

#8 But exJag and Phil -- it worked so well for the South Vietmanese and Cambodians! It worked so well for Neville Chamberlan! What's not to love about this plan?

This isn't a Study Group Report - its the terms of our surrender!

Once again we try appeasing evil and expecting a different outcome.
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-12-07 08:13||   2006-12-07 08:13|| Front Page Top

#9 Glen Beck interviewed the father of a 11 year old girl yesterday. The little girl told him that the Muslim children are predicting world war.

I wonder if the USA will be on the winning side this time.
Posted by SR-71 2006-12-07 08:15||   2006-12-07 08:15|| Front Page Top

#10 Is Baker still a registered agent of Saudi?
Posted by 3dc 2006-12-07 08:28||   2006-12-07 08:28|| Front Page Top

#11 No thanks, retard.
Now run along and kill somebody who's not Muslim enough. I'm sure they won't be hard to find.
Posted by tu3031 2006-12-07 08:42||   2006-12-07 08:42|| Front Page Top

#12 I think (hope!) that someone forgot their /SARCASM flag.

Here, take one of mine:

/SARCASM
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-12-07 08:52||   2006-12-07 08:52|| Front Page Top

#13 I am embarrassed. I used to respect James Baker. I usually am not such a bad judge of character and ability.
Posted by RWV 2006-12-07 08:58||   2006-12-07 08:58|| Front Page Top

#14 Never mind the /SARCASM flag. How about a /TROLL flag?
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-12-07 09:04||   2006-12-07 09:04|| Front Page Top

#15 "JUSTICE Return to SPLENDOR" is our old friend "JUSTICE", aka "Truth Has Come", posting from Saudi Arabia.
Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-12-07 09:08||   2006-12-07 09:08|| Front Page Top

#16 Nah, after that last comment, he's a joke not worth responding to. He's probably as Muslim as I am. The Sierra Club? Ha!
Ya pushed too hard, retard. What time do you have to put on the Santa's elf suit and report to the mall?
Posted by tu3031 2006-12-07 09:10||   2006-12-07 09:10|| Front Page Top

#17 If these idiots serve Israel up on a platter there will be no place they can hide. Also, I hope the IDF will see the handwritting on the wall in time to seize their government and execute operation "Blow up the Arab World"! I know it is called something else, but I forget the name.

With everthing I see happening, it just confirms my belief that this nation, and the Western Civilizations have been bought and paid for by the Islamists, and our leaders are the Judas's.

I fully believe we are heading for a World War the likes of we cannot imagine. In fact, I believe we are already in it, but the main act has yet to start. If we do survive, we'll need to purge our politicians mercilessly.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-12-07 10:04||   2006-12-07 10:04|| Front Page Top

#18 This is why I have called for the razing of DoS.

If this government abandons Israel, I'm finished with the Bushies.
Posted by SR-71 2006-12-07 10:17||   2006-12-07 10:17|| Front Page Top

#19 
Posted by RD 2006-12-07 10:20||   2006-12-07 10:20|| Front Page Top

#20 That poor idiot from the Magic Kingdom? Don't let him anywhere near the children, tu3031, his culture teaches him that little children -- especially the boys, beautiful as pearls -- exist to sate his sexual desires, as he once was forced to satisfy those bigger or more powerful than himself. Mr. Wife never went into the coffee houses in that part of the world, preferring to not to have to defend his posterior from unwelcome advances. Ick!

Salaam means peace, thou Arabia-based idiot; Islam means submission, so gettest thyself on with submitting. And yes, I used the archaic, second person singular form used by superiors when talking to their inferiors or to children most deliberately. Thou deservest not the respect of the common you used between equals.

Mick Dundee, are you thinking of the Samson Option?
Posted by trailing wife 2006-12-07 10:27||   2006-12-07 10:27|| Front Page Top

#21 The options are becoming clearer by the day.

And the nature of current Western "political leaders" too.

What would the Baker Dhimmi Group suggest when Hizb'Allah attacks Israel again?
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-12-07 11:06||   2006-12-07 11:06|| Front Page Top

#22 Good gawd, this is SOOOOO appalling on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin. My two (human) life verses to live by (again):

(1) Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it (See: Chamberlain, Neville and after Vietnam, Cambodia, and most recently, 9/11/2001 - NYC, PA and The Pentagon).
(2) All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing (See: not defeating Hitler early on, before him "arming up", and not taking Ahmadinijad at his (Hitleran) word).

Oh well, I hold out hope that this ISG Report is DOA at the White House. I pray that Cheney and Bush still have the nerve to smack it down and hard.
Posted by BA 2006-12-07 11:10||   2006-12-07 11:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Mick Dundee, are you thinking of the Samson Option?

TW, thank you, that would be the one. The sooner the major population centers of the Arab/Muslim world are radioactive, the sooner this Islam problem will end.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-12-07 11:23||   2006-12-07 11:23|| Front Page Top

#24 Ahh the first winter sighting of a lesser spotted troll ..

It must be lost , they never usually migrate this far west .
Posted by MacNails 2006-12-07 11:28||   2006-12-07 11:28|| Front Page Top

#25 Mick -- no, we're not going to commit genocide in order to save ourselves. It's not necessary and it's not smart.

Unilateral use of nukes would turn the entire world, including our best friends (the Aussies) against us. It would be our ruination. We won't nuke the Arab nations unless we're attacked with WMD or we have 100%, stone-cold clear evidence that we're about to be attacked with such.

So drop the genocide nonsense and think clearly. Clear thinking and an iron constitution is what is needed to beat the Islamicists.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-12-07 11:29||   2006-12-07 11:29|| Front Page Top

#26 "Let us guide you and protect you."

In the name of the strongest and most intelligent con man, Muhammad, in slavish adoration of his con man idol, Allah.
Posted by Jules 2006-12-07 11:39||   2006-12-07 11:39|| Front Page Top

#27 Unilateral use of nukes would turn the entire world, including our best friends (the Aussies) against us. It would be our ruination. We won't nuke the Arab nations unless we're attacked with WMD or we have 100%, stone-cold clear evidence that we're about to be attacked with such.

So drop the genocide nonsense and think clearly. Clear thinking and an iron constitution is what is needed to beat the Islamicists.

Given the astonishing ease at which they seem to subvert our politicians, culture and society, time is not on our side. The left has been working towards the destruction of Capitalism for a long time, now that they have teamed up with the Islamists the process has accelerated and is picking up momentum.

I've said before, I'll say it again, this could all slide over the edge in the blink of an eye. It is obvious that we're (our leaders) (puke) are going to nothing until it too late. We continue to import this menace into our society, and we have these moldy left overs from the 60's/70's failed statecraft coming back like a herpes flareup to wreak their special havoc! Again!

By the time it gets bad enough that we do actually drop the hammer on them, everyone else in the world will probably be glad. Hell, I'll bet there are bunch now that wish we would get on with it.

Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-12-07 11:52||   2006-12-07 11:52|| Front Page Top

#28 This is nothing new from Baker. Go back and review his actions from past years. He clearly is anti-Israel and has always been. He is just as detrimental to Israel as our good friend Jimmah. Baker was constantly demanding concessions from Israel his entire time in the Bush I administration. The fool has never accomplished anything of substance yet. This is merely a continuation of his past performance. He is a Saoodi ass kisser par excellance, just like old man Bush. Saud Abdullah calls Bush 41 all the time to relay Saoodi desires and hopes he can still foist these onto any current goverment in power. These two charactwers have been on Saoodi heroin (cash in their secret bank accounts) for far too long to change now.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-12-07 11:54||   2006-12-07 11:54|| Front Page Top

#29 The Chamberlain Commission with Iraq, Lebanon and Israel playing the role of Czechslovakia.
Posted by danking_70 2006-12-07 13:08||   2006-12-07 13:08|| Front Page Top

#30 Welcome to the Brave New World of Jim Baker--an undercover tranzi who was quite effective in bringing down Bush#1, and is in the process of effectively bringing down Bush#2. You've got to give him credit. He's an amazing opportunist, and he's quite adept at studying his target, assessing their personal weaknesses and/or modes of thought operations, and then going in for the "prime dismantling"--all the while, his target(s) believe he's giving really great, on-the-level advice, or perhaps they simply recognize that Baker and his "secret" team are too powerful to resist. Hey--and it must certainly be that Obama/Hilary will be better for business . . .

Side note: for all you Bible-thumpers out there--10 years ago it was truly unthinkable, unimaginable, that "all the nations" would turn against Israel, per the book of Revelation. Now it not only looks possible, but plausible. Unreal.
Posted by ex-lib 2006-12-07 13:49||   2006-12-07 13:49|| Front Page Top

#31  I can't bear to see so many of your people suffering in wars.

I'll freely admit that our soldiers, like so many others, suffer in this war. Fortunately, your soldiers terrorists DIE!

Unilateral use of nukes would turn the entire world, including our best friends (the Aussies) against us. It would be our ruination. We won't nuke the Arab nations unless we're attacked with WMD or we have 100%, stone-cold clear evidence that we're about to be attacked with such.

Thank you, good Doctor, for making a point I am obliged to post here over and over again. Mick, one of the things that differentiates America is its ability to maintain the moral high ground. This is not to say that we must fear becomong terrorists if we fight them on their level, but first use of nuclear weapons is a moral Rubicon that must not, and more importantly, need not be crossed. There may come a time when all evidence points towards such a decision, but we are still years from it.

We have conventional weaponry that can replicate the effects of a nuclear bomb. I do think that at some point we must begin a program of massively disproportionate retaliation as a way of polarizing average Muslim opinion away from the Jihadists. Above all, we need to begin "breaking things", without heed of who must repair them. Iran is the starting place with Syria and North Korea on the list immediately thereafter.

With Iran in particular, there is simply no worse alternative to what exists right now. Anyone else could rush into the power vacuum created by a decapitating strike and things would not be one whit for the worse. Same goes for Syria, at least in that we would interdict the constant formenting of unrest in Lebanon and help Israel get back on its feet.

Much more serious are the prospects of dealing with Pakstan and Saudi Arabia. These two facilitators of international terrorism need to be taken out root and branch. Our worthless alliances with the Saudis are nearly as nettlesome in this respect as how to confiscate or neutralize Pakistan's nuclear arsenal prior to takedown.

More to the point and in agreement with what you posted, our current crop of leaders simply do not have the backbone for a vast majority of these measures. Very few of them are willing to recognize that whether we think so or not, we are in a religious war, one declared by Islam. If we do not get onto a true war-footing soon, America must brace itself for taking some ghastly hits on our own soil. Ones that will make 9-11 look like a picnic.

The prospect of economic set-back arising from such profound atrocities should be enough to motivate any American government of any party to begin a campaign of summarily executing the entire top tier of Islam's command chain and propaganda machine in general. That this reality does not is a resounding condemnation of how badly lost the lessons of WWII have been.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-07 14:20||   2006-12-07 14:20|| Front Page Top

#32 ex-lib, I was thinking about that.
"All the nations turn against Israel"
Well, I guess the end times are upon us. I guess we should take advantage of the few days of peace left to us.
I'm also thinking that the time for us right wingers to get off our fat asses is just around the corner. Maybe in the Spring, or even sooner, we should have a rally in DC with millions of us waving our rifles and shotguns and taking back our country. We already know that the left will not fight, so our only obstacle will be that we have jobs to report to. Like I said, we have to be there. The job can wait, and for that matter the job is nill if we lose this thing.
I, for one will not allow Islam to take a civilized country, except maybe France. I'm even ready to fight them for Lebanon. Certainly for Thailand or Nigeria. If you are a man, by nature, you are willing to not only protect your family with your life, but you are willing to extend the same protection to all women and children, to the tribe, and to the nation, because this nation is worth saving.
Posted by wxjames 2006-12-07 17:43||   2006-12-07 17:43|| Front Page Top

#33 And tired of the wankers in our midst (see, e.g., the Geroge Clooney article), there'll be women waving rifles and shotguns right alongside you.

I'll be the chick with one of these:


and one of these:
Posted by exJAG 2006-12-07 18:31||   2006-12-07 18:31|| Front Page Top

#34 I, for one will not allow Islam to take a civilized country, except maybe France. I'm even ready to fight them for Lebanon. Certainly for Thailand or Nigeria.

Not me, if they're not willing to fight and die for their nation, neither am I. I'll fight to save hearth and home, but not some ungrateful bastards overseas. After we secure the homeland, I might be willing to liberate a few places, as long as there are no silly ROE's to contend with.
Posted by Mick Dundee 2006-12-07 20:07||   2006-12-07 20:07|| Front Page Top

#35 Why should Israel be invited? After all, the Czechs weren't invited to Munich.
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2006-12-07 20:12|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2006-12-07 20:12|| Front Page Top

#36 #21 If this government abandons Israel, I'm finished with the Bushies.

If ANY government abandons Israel, the entire nation should abandon that government. Go back and re-read the entire second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. It may be time to exercise the "reset" button.

#28 - Steve Clear thinking and an iron constitution is what is needed to beat the Islamicists.

Wrong. It's going to take the iron will sufficient to bomb certain Islamist centers back beyond the stone age into the Precambrian to end the war against us. Nothing else will sink through those warped, twisted, one-track minds. They believe their god allan is on their side - we have to prove them wrong. That takes superior firepower and the willingness to use it - any or all of it, as needed. They will continue to fight until we prove to them that they will either accept defeat or accept total destruction. There are NO other options.

#34 Zenster We have conventional weaponry that can replicate the effects of a nuclear bomb. I do think that at some point we must begin a program of massively disproportionate retaliation as a way of polarizing average Muslim opinion away from the Jihadists. Above all, we need to begin "breaking things", without heed of who must repair them. Iran is the starting place with Syria and North Korea on the list immediately thereafter.

The first thing we need to understand is that no muslim is our friend - not one. There are muslims that are not out to kill us - yet - but that doesn't make them "friends". Secondly, we need to understand that we MUST change "hearts and minds" in order to win, because the hearts and minds of muslims is in sync with islam, a destructive death cult. Thirdly, the only way to change the hearts and minds of most arabs is to prove we're the meanest, baddest, most terrible creature on the face of the Earth, and they will do things OUR way, or else they will cease to exist. Everybody tries to keep finding "middle ground". Give up - it doesn't exist. Break them of the way they think, or break them to the point they can't retaliate, or continue to suffer abuse and deaths among our people.

This war began for real in the late 1960's, following the 1967 Israel/Arab war. The only thing that's changed is that the theater of operations has expanded to include the entire planet and all its people. We either fight back with overwhelming force, or we go under. I do NOT intend to live any part of my life as a muslim.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-12-07 22:38|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-12-07 22:38|| Front Page Top

#37 #39: "They will continue to fight until we prove to them that they will either accept defeat or accept total destruction."

Why give 'em a choice, OP?

Total destruction works for me. These nutcases will never accept defeat - so make 'em accept dead.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-12-07 23:26|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]  2006-12-07 23:26|| Front Page Top

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