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2006-09-06 India-Pakistan

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Posted by Anonymoose 2006-09-06 10:07|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This also explains why he suddenly made the "peace" deal with the Wazoos. This political ploy is just risky enough so he doesn't want to get distracted while he is pulling it off. If he is successful, then he can deal with the Wazoos later.

And when President Bush was asked about the Wazoo deal, he feigned lack of knowledge of it, then expressed his desire for Perv to consolidate his power in Pakland, so that Perv "and democracy", can rule over all Pakistan, while sounding annoyed that Perv was doing something Washington didn't approve of.

This fits into the theme of Perv focusing on one of the many problems his country faces at a time, in each methodical step, being subtly supported by the US. Every time he "wins", he becomes stronger, and gets a stronger grip.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the US didn't draft this legislation with the intent of provoking his political enemies to support something terribly unpopular.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-09-06 10:21|| 2006-09-06 10:21|| Front Page Top

#2 Six Islamic Groups do not want to protect women with a fair rape law, so let "his group" vacate their seats. It's no surprise anymore what they'll do afterwards-destroy God's creations, it's what they always do. Murder and torture and executions and rape, all debasements in the name of Allah's sharia. What matters is what we do about it-specifically, Musharraf.

Posted by Jules in the Hinterlands 2006-09-06 10:36|| 2006-09-06 10:36|| Front Page Top

#3 This also explains why he suddenly made the "peace" deal with the Wazoos. This political ploy is just risky enough so he doesn't want to get distracted while he is pulling it off. If he is successful, then he can deal with the Wazoos later.

BS. Perv is as much a jihadi as any other Pakistani.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-09-06 12:45|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-09-06 12:45|| Front Page Top

#4 Rob, of late you've become rather intolerant, intransigent and intractable.

And I admire that in a man.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-06 15:22|| 2006-09-06 15:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Rob, of late you've become rather intolerant, intransigent and intractable.

Rob has probably just read enough WoT stuff to realize that all the "Pakistan is a valuable ally on .." is BS.

It's a WTF moment. You read local Pakistani newspapers, articles written by Pakistanis, and the truth is right there. They're jihadis. The more you learn about pakistan, the more you realize they're jihadis and suddenly, the talking heads on TV and the articles in the western press and revealed to be nonsense.

Posted by john 2006-09-06 16:09|| 2006-09-06 16:09|| Front Page Top

#6 If he is successful, then he can deal with the Wazoos later.

He Perv destroys the jihadi infrastructure, he destroys Pakistan's only hope for obtaining Kashmir and dismembering India.
He destroys any hope of Pak colonization of Afghanistan and strategic depth.

It is a weapon he cannot give up.

Posted by john 2006-09-06 16:12|| 2006-09-06 16:12|| Front Page Top

#7 It is a weapon he cannot give up.

john, Perv also rides the tiger of facing international intervention should he continue to support ISI's terrorist sponsorship and nuclear proliferation, yet as you said, he will only face more attempts on his life if he backs away from driving jihadism in Kashmir and fanning the anti-Indian flames. The spillover of surplus Kashmiri jihadists into the international terrorist arena is, quite possibly, the biggest single threat to Pakistan.

Perv is screwed nine ways to Sunday and it is a direct result of Pakistan's overall national impetus in the direction of jihadist war and destruction. If Pakistan, as a nation, cannot subdue such antagonistic behavior, they will eventually face nuclear annihilation.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-06 16:53|| 2006-09-06 16:53|| Front Page Top

#8 All: don't be so pessimistic. Evidence #1, you DON'T hear the White House complaining about Perv except in all but the most mildest of ways. Why?

It is because he is doing what we want him to do, which also happens to be for his own, and Pakistan's own good.

A lot of you respond in a downright silly way.

Think of Perv as one guy in a packed bar with just one buddy, George Bush, who know that everybody else in the bar hates his, Perv's, guts. Your strategy seems to be that he should fight everybody all at once and get his ass kicked.

But George tells Perv that if he just takes out some of the weaker guys first, then George will give him a knife. He does so.

Well, then a bunch of big guys say to him, "You want to fight us?", and on George's advice, Perv says "No." Then George tells him to fight some of the guys he knows Perv can beat with a knife.

And Perv beats them. So George gives Perv a gun.

NOW, and ONLY NOW, can Perv challenge the big guys in the bar, as long as there are fewer than six of them for the bullets in his gun.

This is called "gradualism". How Perv can end up beating everybody in the bar. Which is what the US wants, and what is good for Pakistan.

But dammit, it takes time. And if Perv doesn't follow George's advice he is going to get his ass kicked and some Islamist or other general is going to take his place. One who probably won't be as cooperative.

So c'mon, don't be like democrats and think that George, and Condi Rice for that matter, are idiots willing to put up with some two-timing dictator, because they don't have your rare insight that Pakistan should just be nuked and be done with.

We have one of the best and most complex foreign policies the US has ever had, right now. Trust that they are doing what will work, and hope that our leaders aren't replaced with dumbasses in the next two elections.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-09-06 18:12|| 2006-09-06 18:12|| Front Page Top

#9 An interesting and instructive metaphor, 'moose. It still doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is one of the principal exporters of global terrorism. How many more atrocities must this world suffer for the sake of Perv prevailing in your "bar fight" scenario?

While I'm confident that international diplomats will not agree with me, just a single new major atrocity should get a sizeable portion of Pakistan's madrassahs dropped on the heads of their occupants. We cannot sit around and endlessly wait in the hope of incremental improvements with respect to what is nearly an intractable problem.

Look at where a "wait and see" attitude has gotten us with Iran. It will only be more of the same if Iran gains cover behind a shield of nuclear weapons. They will sponsor and export even more terrorism than they do already. This is precisely what Pakistan has done and we do not need any further object lessons in what to expect.

Punitive measures need to be visited upon Pakistan. The West's generosity has largely been abused that the hands of Perv and his cronies. Relief aid going to terrorists that sought to blow numerous airliners out of the sky was the last straw. Again, how many more atrocities must we endure while awaiting change in Pakistan?

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-06 19:58|| 2006-09-06 19:58|| Front Page Top

#10 I believe that is precisely why we are seeing the west cozy up to India. When the Pakiwakis finally go fully seething rad, at least there will be a buffer state close by and fully armed to deal with them. General Musharraf has used up at least 11 of his 9 lines. I suspect it is just a matter of time until they get him and all hell breaks lose with a nuclear, muzzie armed radical state.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-09-06 20:14|| 2006-09-06 20:14|| Front Page Top

#11 Zenster: Most of the crapola we have to deal with we can thank Perv's predecessor, Zia, for. However, Pakistan is not unto itself, and you must remember this too.

China and India are natural enemies. So China was seriously kissing up to Pakistan. They might be more than willing to stand in the way if the US wants to attack Pakistan directly. So while Pakistan is *annoying*, as long as Musharraf is in charge, we will methodically get what we want. And keep China the hell out. And keep India on our side.

George Bush, Sr., would call looking at the big picture "linkages"; but by paying attention to the big picture, you don't get just one satisfying win--you sweep the board.

And I agree it is aggravating that while Musharraf is doing his thing, we still have the Madrassas cranking out terrorists. Fortunately, they are sending most of them to Afghanistan to die like flies.

A while back, Perv passed a law clamping down on the Madrassas, and they were politically powerful enough to just blow it off. And there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it. But with our help, he has schemed, and is now getting his Islamist opposition to kick themselves out of the government. This will give him a LOT more power.

Most likely, North Wazoo will be the last great nut for him to crack. And it will be hella violent. But that will, in effect *annihilate* the Taliban for good, and end any major HQ left for al-Qaeda, short of Somalia.

And here is the important part: if we ever get into hostilities with China, Pakistan and India would be major, major allies in any dispute. To this end, I hope that Musharraf goes down as "The Father of Unified Pakistan, ally to the US."

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-09-06 20:47|| 2006-09-06 20:47|| Front Page Top

#12 'moose, I always enjoy your commentary and this is no exception (and without a "but" to follow). I just feel that, in Pakistan's case, for one more time we are not sufficiently learning to abandon the old Arab leitmotif of "My enemy's enemy is my friend".

While I tend to agree with your assessment regarding any cumulative South Asian alliance against communist China, such garbage as Major General Shaukat Sultan Khan's tacit confirmation that Pakistan will (continue to) shelter bin Laden really hacks me off. It tends to make an abject farce out of whatever ostensible progress we are making otherwise.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-06 21:37|| 2006-09-06 21:37|| Front Page Top

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