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Up to 14 hurt in SF hit-and-run spree
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Posted by Lawrence of the Rats 2006-08-29 19:06|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 One of the attacks took place in front of a Jewish Community Center at California and Presidio
Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-08-29 19:23||   2006-08-29 19:23|| Front Page Top

#2 Laurence of the Rats - That was me posting the story. Putting it here again in case the cookie monster ain't done with me.
Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats  2006-08-29 19:30||   2006-08-29 19:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Fixed it for you, LotR
Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 19:33||   2006-08-29 19:33|| Front Page Top

#4 Thank ye :)
Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats  2006-08-29 19:54||   2006-08-29 19:54|| Front Page Top

#5 Another one of those isolated incidents totally unrelated with Jihad and the Religion of Peace.
Posted by DMFD 2006-08-29 20:04||   2006-08-29 20:04|| Front Page Top

#6 Thus beginneth Islamic NASCAR.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 20:06||   2006-08-29 20:06|| Front Page Top

#7 Hard to resist the temptation for black humor.

I keep thinking of that little kid that's critically injured and may not make it, tho.

SOB. May be psychotic, may be a jihadi wannabe. We'll see.
Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 20:08||   2006-08-29 20:08|| Front Page Top

#8 I suspect that even in SF this guy will be put away for a long time. Pelican Bay, I'd bet.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-29 20:12||   2006-08-29 20:12|| Front Page Top

#9 I keep thinking of that little kid that's critically injured and may not make it, tho.

In light of the serial nature of these crimes, charges of pre-meditation should apply to all but, perhaps, the first collision. This should trigger special circumstances and a chance for shaheed Popal to buddy up with Mr. Needle.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 20:16||   2006-08-29 20:16|| Front Page Top

#10 Since the guy's from Fremont. Good chance that he's an Afghan.
Posted by Penguin 2006-08-29 20:18||   2006-08-29 20:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Pelican Bay is for those in normal prisons who can't get along/high risk. This fuck needs a shank in the neck in one of the lesser supervised hellholes
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-29 20:21||   2006-08-29 20:21|| Front Page Top

#12 One caution -- although from name and likely origin we can guess, we really don't know this guy's motive. It is possible he's truly mentally ill, acting under psychosis.
Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 20:26||   2006-08-29 20:26|| Front Page Top

#13 or Islam, but I repeat you...
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-29 20:28||   2006-08-29 20:28|| Front Page Top

#14 "Unfortunately, they didn't shoot him right on the spot.

That line is now gone from the article.
Posted by Angie Schultz 2006-08-29 20:30||   2006-08-29 20:30|| Front Page Top

#15 Which part, Frank, "mentally ill" or "psychosis"?

HINT: "Yes" is a permissible answer.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 20:31||   2006-08-29 20:31|| Front Page Top

#16 Interesting, Angie.
Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 20:33||   2006-08-29 20:33|| Front Page Top

#17 although from name and likely origin we can guess, we really don't know this guy's motive. It is possible he's truly mentally ill, acting under psychosis.

It was based on his name that I assumed he was psycotic.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-29 20:41||   2006-08-29 20:41|| Front Page Top

#18 After watching someone I knew well and cared about go through a psychotic break for a while, I personally will never play games with the word, NS.

It's a heartbreaking thing to be caught up in, whether as the patient or the bystander.

Yeah, I guess I'm being heavy on this, but those who've seen real psychosis up close wouldn't bandy about the term for all Muslims that way.
Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 20:56||   2006-08-29 20:56|| Front Page Top

#19 For guys like these we need to let the victims do some skeet shooting like in History of the World.

""...Violence, I hate violence, it's the one thing I detest!". Ironically while giving his discourse on violence he is skeet shooting using peasants in lieu of clay pigeons"
Posted by 3dc 2006-08-29 21:02||   2006-08-29 21:02|| Front Page Top

#20 Projection - some people need killing based on their actions. Or do you want to host him after "rehabilitation"? Sorry to be so preachy, but I have no sympathy for those who take lives deliberately. Psychosis doesn't cause them to hit-n-run. Same as car chases - how many people were (and will in the future) be endangered by the continued existence of this obvious danger. RAB
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-29 21:06||   2006-08-29 21:06|| Front Page Top

#21 from a different account:

The driver was arrested at the intersection of California and Laurel after a short chase on foot. A witness to the arrest said on KCBS that a police officer on the scene reported the man wanted to "kill his family next."


Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 21:07||   2006-08-29 21:07|| Front Page Top

#22 oooooh an honor killing?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-29 21:07||   2006-08-29 21:07|| Front Page Top

#23 or a disagreement about money, or marriage, or who knows what?

Frank, I never said I want to be easy on the guy.

I'm just saying that the assumption this is a jihad spree isn't the only possible explanation for the guy's actions. Violent psychosis doesn't get rehabilitated - such people need to be kept from society for the rest of their lives. But if he was sane enough to be held responsible, he should bear all the consequences of this horrendous attack.

psychosis doesn't cause them to hit-and-run

disagree on that - psychosis can cause a whole range of violent acts.
Posted by lotp 2006-08-29 21:10||   2006-08-29 21:10|| Front Page Top

#24 oooooh an honor killing?

You're on a roll today, Frank.

lotp, permit me to quote the American Bard, Mark Twain;

"The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow."

Either you laugh about it or cry. We're all born crying, some of us learn to stop.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 21:26||   2006-08-29 21:26|| Front Page Top

#25 Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 21:35||   2006-08-29 21:35|| Front Page Top

#26  Sudden Jihad Syndrome

Or, as I call it, Assimilation Panic™.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 21:40||   2006-08-29 21:40|| Front Page Top

#27 From the link in #25:
In brief, Mr. Taheri-azar represents the ultimate Islamist nightmare: a seemingly well-adjusted Muslim whose religion inspires him, out of the blue, to murder non-Muslims. Mr. Taheri-azar acknowledged planning his jihad for more than two years, or during his university sojourn. It's not hard to imagine how his ideas developed, given the coherence of Islamist ideology, its immense reach (including a Muslim Student Association at UNC), and its resonance among many Muslims.

Were Mr. Taheri-azar unique in his surreptitious adoption of radical Islam, one could ignore his case, but he fits into a widespread pattern of Muslims who lead quiet lives before turning to terrorism. Their number includes the hijackers responsible for the attacks of September 11, the London transport bombers, and the Intel engineer arrested before he could join the Taliban in Afghanistan, Maher Hawash.
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 21:41||   2006-08-29 21:41|| Front Page Top

#28  Rex Mundi, I worked in the city today and heard two employees of the Jewish Community Center were hit.

Very easy to hit someone because the center opens to the street..was a member in the past for many years.

The Local media are lying scum bags and are explicitly saying it wasn't related to Muslim terrorism.

BULL SHIT

JCC: 3500 block of California Street in Laurel Heights

Spruce and California streets..3 blocks

Pine at Divisadero...2 blocks

California and Fillmore...10 blocks

Bush and Pierce...13 blocks

Fremont is 20 miles accross the bay.

Fremont Boulevard..main drag
Posted by RD 2006-08-29 21:41||   2006-08-29 21:41|| Front Page Top

#29 SUV not a rental this time. From another report: Department of Motor Vehicles records show the license plate on the SUV registered to Omeed A. Popal of Fremont
Posted by GK 2006-08-29 21:51||   2006-08-29 21:51|| Front Page Top

#30 Honda CRV or Honda Pilot

minis
Posted by RD 2006-08-29 22:09||   2006-08-29 22:09|| Front Page Top

#31 Don't assume Jihad until all the facts are in. I don't like knee jerk libtards, and I don't like knee-jerk conservatives either.

If he went on a Jew hitting spree like that asstard in Seattle did several weeks ago, then it might be safe to presume. If it was random, then we should probably wait for all the facts to come in.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 22:24||   2006-08-29 22:24|| Front Page Top

#32 I don't assume Jihad - I assume non-societal asshole, who should be incarcerated on meds for life or shot dead. Fuck his civil liberties. He's a danger to the public, and should be put away (if he's demented) or killed if he intended killing the people he hit. Time to piss around is over
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-29 22:31||   2006-08-29 22:31|| Front Page Top

#33 Thoth,
Are you insinuating that if Popal was trying to kill Jews, it is jihad. If Popal was trying to kill run of the mill Americans, then it it is something less?
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 22:32||   2006-08-29 22:32|| Front Page Top

#34 Well, I won't argue with you on that Frank. This guy deserves no mercy, regardless of his reason why. I'm just saying we can't always jump to Jihad as the reason. I'm sure there are Arabs/Persians/Muslims that are capable of going nuts and trying to kill others out there without always having the reason why being religion. If that wasn't what you were implying, then I apologize for MY presumption.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 22:36||   2006-08-29 22:36|| Front Page Top

#35 Hey everyone. I just thought I'd check, but has anyone seen Muck4doo around? I was wondering how things were going with him.
Posted by Phil 2006-08-29 22:42||   2006-08-29 22:42|| Front Page Top

#36 Ed. The asshat in Seattle went and specificaly targeted Jews. Are you denying this? If it was run of the mill Americans, well, that describes just about everyone doesn't it? I think if you look at most mass murderers in this countries history, they purdy much targeted run of the mill Americans, didn't they? Did that make them Jihadis? You know the answer to that. Arabs are just as capable of being lunatic mass murderers without a religious agenda as white, black, or any other race for that matter. Let's see how this plays out.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 22:42||   2006-08-29 22:42|| Front Page Top

#37 And I think I lost his last email address. Mine's changed since I last sent him a message too...
Posted by Phil 2006-08-29 22:43||   2006-08-29 22:43|| Front Page Top

#38 Thoth, I would be more apt to discount the jihadi aspect if Popal attacked in his community. Instead he drove quite a ways to attack. I will also make a bet he picked out his victims with religious and racial discrimination in mind.

BTW, how does one in the US, except for Hassidics in a few select cities, pick out Jewish pedestrians from the rest of the population?
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 22:56||   2006-08-29 22:56|| Front Page Top

#39 Phil, try http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 22:58||   2006-08-29 22:58|| Front Page Top

#40 BTW, I don't discount that Popal may have been under mental stress or some life setback, but so was the Seattle Jewish community center killer you referenced.
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 23:01||   2006-08-29 23:01|| Front Page Top

#41  Don't assume Jihad until all the facts are in. I don't like knee jerk libtards, and I don't like knee-jerk conservatives either.

then STFU Jerk.
Posted by RD 2006-08-29 23:06||   2006-08-29 23:06|| Front Page Top

#42  I'm sure there are Arabs/Persians/Muslims that are capable of going nuts and trying to kill others out there without always having the reason why being religion.

The problem is, that it's so hard to tell the difference. Remember the old taqiyaa thingie. After killing however many Jews, infidels, random warm-blooded mammals or whatever, they can always claim the usual momentary lapse of reason.

Until Muslims abandon shit like violent jihad, taqiyaa and all their other protective coloration (known in the West as "marching under false colors"), we are allowed to think the worst whenever they try to kill us.

I'm also obliged to add that so much of Islamic doctrine preaches the absolute worthlessness of us kufirs and how glorious violence and martyrdom are supposed to be, that it is tantamount to inducing psychotic behavior as a normative. Which, I believe, is Frank's point as well. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Frank.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 23:08||   2006-08-29 23:08|| Front Page Top

#43 We need to actualize our part as the Great Satan.
Posted by 3dc 2006-08-29 23:17||   2006-08-29 23:17|| Front Page Top

#44 One death reported.
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 23:29||   2006-08-29 23:29|| Front Page Top

#45 Phil, I have the same e-mail address. This is my other persona. :)

ed, You are right in that he drove quite a ways, but San Francisco pedestrian traffic is alot more heavier than Fremont pedestrian traffic. Could that be the reason?

Look, I'm not saying he wasn't a Jihadi, and in all likelyhood, chances are he is. All I'm saying is let's not be too quick to jump the gun until more details come out.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 23:30||   2006-08-29 23:30|| Front Page Top

#46 RD

I consider you a great blogger and a friend over the last couple of years. I think you are missing my point. I'm not personally attacking anyone here. Frank knows he's one of my favorite bloggers here. I'm saying let's not rush to judgement until more is known.

The point was I hate knee-jerk reactions on anything when little is known at the time, no matter the political leaning.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 23:34||   2006-08-29 23:34|| Front Page Top

#47 Thoth,
Let's agree on the 24 hour rule and take it up tomorrow when more is known.
Posted by ed 2006-08-29 23:34||   2006-08-29 23:34|| Front Page Top

#48 Thoth: I didn't know if that was supposed to be something everyone knew. Anyway, the email's sent.
Posted by Phil 2006-08-29 23:38||   2006-08-29 23:38|| Front Page Top

#49 Zenster, I have no sympathies for muslim "extremists", or really for the religion in general. I think it's a warped religion, and I've read the Quran and some of the Hadiths, so I think my point of view on the topic is not without reason. I know you have as well, as have others. That is why I like Rantburg. Yall's all actually know what you're talking about when it comes to the subject.

I also think it's not a good idea to jump to conclusions whenever there's an Arabic name that floats around. That doesn't help, and gives your opposition ammunition if the assumptions turn out to be wrong.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 23:39||   2006-08-29 23:39|| Front Page Top

#50 Point taken Thoth..

and I apoligise for being hot headed..bad form on my part.
Posted by RD 2006-08-29 23:42||   2006-08-29 23:42|| Front Page Top

#51 Ooops. No, you're right Phil. I think you had my old work e-mail address. I'm not working there anymore. Try muck4doo@yahoo.com

If you tried that one, nothing came in. :(
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 23:44||   2006-08-29 23:44|| Front Page Top

#52 I tried stupiditysearch@yahoo.com.
Posted by Phil 2006-08-29 23:45||   2006-08-29 23:45|| Front Page Top

#53 Anyway, it wasn't anything earth-shattering, just wanted to see how things were.
Posted by Phil 2006-08-29 23:46||   2006-08-29 23:46|| Front Page Top

#54 No apologies necessary RD, I probably didn't communicate what I was trying to say in a clear enough manner. :)
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 23:46||   2006-08-29 23:46|| Front Page Top

#55 All I'm saying is let's not be too quick to jump the gun until more details come out.

So, when we profile, do we "jump the gun"? As I said in my previous post. Muslims employ every imaginable form of dissembling to where there is almost no choice but to consider their motive to be that of violent jihad. Cross a Stalinist with a Nazi and then add in a jihadist, would you trust a single thing that person had to tell you?

Guess what? Islamists want the same sort of mass-murder Stalinists rejoiced in, the same sort of genocide Nazi's dreamed of and the business-as-usual terrorist slaughter Islamists squirt over. Now, who[m] do you believe?
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 23:49||   2006-08-29 23:49|| Front Page Top

#56 Thoth, given my last post, how can we tell when we're wrong?
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-29 23:52||   2006-08-29 23:52|| Front Page Top

#57 Got it Phil. :)

I haven't checked stupiditysearch in a while.
Posted by Thoth 2006-08-29 23:55||   2006-08-29 23:55|| Front Page Top

#58 Zenster, when are we going to get you to stop using the most

stupid

html tags available?
Posted by Phil 2006-08-29 23:55||   2006-08-29 23:55|| Front Page Top

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