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2006-08-02 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Peres, Rice disagree on expected end to IDF operations in Lebanon
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Posted by 3dc 2006-08-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Rice said that a cease-fire could be reached in Lebanon within days while Peres said the fighting may go on for weeks.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-02 00:26||   2006-08-02 00:26|| Front Page Top

#2 I got a better idea for an expected end to IDF operations:

Military victory.
Posted by badanov 2006-08-02 00:56|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org]  2006-08-02 00:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Well, weeks are made up of days, so they both are right.
Posted by Oldcat 2006-08-02 01:35||   2006-08-02 01:35|| Front Page Top

#4 Actually, it sounds like the same "good cop-bad cop" ping pong that has been going on the entire operation...

One day - no ground war, next day IDF in Lebanon, third day Condi to broker peace, next day not, day after that Cabinet may call it all off, no, lets call up 30000 reservists, and so on.

Every day another straw for the Hezzies to grab at, that they may only have to hold out one more day....
Posted by Oldcat 2006-08-02 01:40||   2006-08-02 01:40|| Front Page Top

#5 More importantly, Peres and Bush agree.
Posted by Captain America 2006-08-02 01:54||   2006-08-02 01:54|| Front Page Top

#6 I prefer the good-cop, bad-cop routine myself Cap'n A. I don't like the idea of Dr Rice and the Prez disagreeing about anything.

And the idea of Hizbollocks being strung along and strung along, all the while being bled white and looking for anything to save them is sweet sweet music!
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-02 05:44||   2006-08-02 05:44|| Front Page Top

#7 I agree Tony. Hizbollocks thought the UN, France and the rest would haul their testicles out of the fire by now. A ceasefire looks farther away than ever.

We are getting to the point where Syria or Iran does something rash to stop the pounding Hez is getting.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-08-02 05:58|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-08-02 05:58|| Front Page Top

#8 A ceasefire is definitely moving further away. France now refuses to take part in a UNSC meeting to discuss the new UN peacekeeping force, even thought apparently they still plan to command it.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-02 06:29||   2006-08-02 06:29|| Front Page Top

#9 And Olmert is saying a cease fire is contingent on an effective peacekeepping force is in place. Who wants to be in that peacekeepping force? I didn't think so.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-02 07:00||   2006-08-02 07:00|| Front Page Top

#10 France now refuses to take part in a UNSC meeting to discuss the new UN peacekeeping force, even thought apparently they still plan to command it.

Ok, seems like my faith in Dr Rice (I'd like to call her Condi, but it seems somewhat disrespectful at the moment - what with those vile posters and cartoons that have been going around) has been confirmed ;)

There is a terrific speculation (prediction? - it was written on 30th July) over at Power and Control, summary;

* The Isrealis have been feigning incompetence and dissent within the cabinet (those sneeeeeky Joooos!)
* They've been rotating ground units into what is effectively a live fire exercise.
* They've got time on their side this time "Condi is making painfully slow progress...
* And my favourite part;

What about American leadership? Bush is telling what is going on:

Bush said Thursday[27 July '06] that Iran is connected to Hizbullah, and now was the "time for the world to confront this danger."

Fortunately he is so stupid no one will believe him.


and


The really interesting thing is that the hizzies, Syria, and Iran are so enmeshed in the Israeli plan that no matter what move they make now it will only give them bad and worse options. At this point you could lay the plan out in front of them and it wouldn't make any difference. They are defeated.

What about the hizzies? The primere rule of guerilla warfare is no fixed positions. Mobility. The typical mistake guerillas make is transitioning to normal military formations before the field is appropriately developed. i.e. the opposition weakened and sufficient recruiting and training is possible. Hizbollah hoped to beat this problem by taking over the Lebanese Army. The Israelis beat them to it and forced them into a war for which they were not prepared. That is called a spoiling attack. The number one mistake that Hizbollah made at the start of all this was that they were a guerilla movement that didn't know where its sanctuary was. They thought it was in Lebanon on the border with Israel. That thinking forced it to fight toe to toe with a regular army that had tanks and an airforce. Almost always the death of guerilla movements. Get out the old vegematic. Slice and dice time.


What has been truly enlightening to me is watching the real story unfold on the Internet; we have the images from the MSM, designed to pull at heart-strings, and then bloggers outed 'Mr Green Helmet'. We have the continual calls for a 'ceasefire' (hudna) from anyone who thinks they're anyone, and then we have Dr Rice dutifully doing her 'best' to get one started (master stroke on her part to get France involved!) I can watch a YouTube video of Hizbollocks firing from behind a residential building, or watch an ice-cool ex-Colonel from the IDF walk to a shelter when he hears the rockets coming in (this was at the train depot where 8 people were killed previously). We have the indepth analysis from people who are in Israel who really do know what a 'low-level' War is like, and outline what the Israelis are doing and finally, I don't have to put up with some smarmy shithead on the BBC telling me how it's all 'Israels fault' that this blew up.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-02 07:22||   2006-08-02 07:22|| Front Page Top

#11 Wasn't the peace keeping force supposed to be from France, Indonesia and Turkey? If I'm right, none of those places consider Hizbollocks to be a terrorist organisation, do they?
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-02 07:23||   2006-08-02 07:23|| Front Page Top

#12 Good post Tony and it will take them weeks months years to get their multinational force together and on the ground - Masterful.

BTW, thanks for Hizbollocks, I'll continue using it.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-08-02 09:06|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-08-02 09:06|| Front Page Top

#13 "A ceasefire is definitely moving further away. France now refuses to take part in a UNSC meeting to discuss the new UN peacekeeping force, even thought apparently they still plan to command it."

which, oddly enough, gives Tzahal more time to work on Hezbollah.

Now it couldnt be that our Gallic friends are actually interested in taking down Hezbollah (with which they have a long and bitter history - see the Weekly Standard) while LOOKING like theyre taking the anti-Israel stance, so popular in the muslim world? I mean the French are too direct, to above board, to fundamentally honest to be doing that, right?
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-02 14:54||   2006-08-02 14:54|| Front Page Top

#14 The entire notion of a ceasefire is laughable.

Who is going to represent the Hezbo's? Hezbo's run Lebanon with a gun, they took Lebanon to war.

Lebanon's PM, president, foreign minister, etc. are all in the Hezbo-Syrian-Iranian pocket.

Moreover, a ceasefire assumes both sides will end hostilities. Does anyone seriously believe the Hezbos will stop firing missiles at Israel from Lebanon?

As for a robust, forceful army to govern southern Lebanon and keep the peace -- a wet dream.

Only solution for a "sustainable" peace is for Israel to overtake the entire Lebanon country. The whole country needs an enema.
Posted by Captain America 2006-08-02 15:13||   2006-08-02 15:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Right about now having "backed by Iran" on your resume may not be the smartest thing for Hezbollah. Being seen as an arm of one of the biggest international pariahs is about the worst press you can get.

One can only assume that "appeasement fatigue" (boy howdy that has a nice ring to it!) is finally setting in for the majority of this world as they watch Hezbollah constantly entangle civilians in their web of death and destruction. Israel needs to keep Hezbollah's feet in the fire until their testicles are well done.

You'd think that the casualty ratios would deter further recruitment. In the Palestinian conflict it has been a near-constant 6:1 in favor of Israel. With nearly 500 Hezbollah dead and seven Israeli fatalities, this recent crisis is nothing more than excellent live-fire training for the Israelis and dirt nap time for their foes.

This is also another fine lesson for populations that tolerate or abet terrorists in their midst. I have zer-effing-oh sympathy for these people. All of the bilious hatred they have spewed for decades finally has a price tag attached and the currency is their skin. Tough sh!t.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-02 18:51||   2006-08-02 18:51|| Front Page Top

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