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2006-06-19 Home Front: Culture Wars
Clash of (Collapsing) Civilizations?
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Posted by Fred 2006-06-19 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I don't really see eye to eye with declinists, especially as regards the USA. We've been through so many crises: slavery, civil war, Reconstruction, the industrial revolution, isolationism, cold war, civil rights, etc, etc, etc. And we've come up with a creative response for each of them. I will not believe that this is the last crisis -- that this is the one we fail to figure our way out of. There are a lot of nut cases and losers in America. But there are also a lot of steely-eyed killers and winners too. This is a natural consequence of living in a free society. Freedom has no meaning unless it includes the freedom to fail and we have failures a plenty.* We always have. In the end, no amount of passive agressive whining and Tranzi hand-wringing will hold the winners back. We will win this war. I'm just not sure it will be in the way that most of us envision it.

* Three of our biggest "failures" were perhaps responsible for saving the nation during its greatest challenge: Grant, Sherman, and Lincoln during the Civil War. That's another great thing about freedom. You always get a second chance.
Posted by 11A5S 2006-06-19 00:49||   2006-06-19 00:49|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't buy David Warren's jibe. The Chicago Tribune writer is a old hack defeatist.
Posted by Captain America 2006-06-19 01:01||   2006-06-19 01:01|| Front Page Top

#3 While minorities are being systematically cleansed from each and every Muslim entity, Muslims are pouring into the West in a non-productive multitude.

Decline? Hell, yes!
Posted by Shurt Angaimble9728 2006-06-19 01:25||   2006-06-19 01:25|| Front Page Top

#4 It doesn't matter if islam is undergoing a collapse of faith (which is quite possible), what matters is that they also see the West, Europe most notably, as rightly weakened and rip for conquest, and are on the move again thanks to oil money and demographical inertia. They've got a window of population growth for a few decades still, and they will use it for what islam has always done since its violent birth : expansionism and conquest. That it results from deathtroes is irrelevant.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-06-19 01:54||   2006-06-19 01:54|| Front Page Top

#5 Global Secular Regressionism vs Global God-based Regressionism - you know, UPWARDLY-MOVING, ESCALATORY, PROACTIVE-POSITIVIST PROGRESS???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-06-19 02:00||   2006-06-19 02:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Warren has it partly right.

There are large numbers of secular and liberal moslems who deeply fear their Islamist brothers and sisters.

And there are large numbers of ordinary moslems who are sick of corruption in moslem governments and explotation by moslem clergy.

But, there are few voices within the Islamic world who can make a case publically.

What we really need is a 24-7 radio network with news of the moslem world that brings normative, liberal and apostate commentary and observations to the masses in their own languages.
Posted by mhw 2006-06-19 08:38||   2006-06-19 08:38|| Front Page Top

#7 can the entitiies within the system being defined objectively assess the change that is inherent in all systems. how do we accurately assess decline or incline from within? It's change alrihjt but only time will indicate whether or not it was "positive" or negative"
Posted by bk 2006-06-19 10:43||   2006-06-19 10:43|| Front Page Top

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