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2006-01-11 Iraq

Sunni leader sez US occupation is the reason for al-Qaeda attacks

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-01-11 00:35|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Islam: the religion of revenge for future wrongs.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-01-11 00:38|| 2006-01-11 00:38|| Front Page Top

#2 "If the occupier would leave, Iraqis would live as brothers." patent BS, even trained monkeys are not stupid enough to believe that one even.

"He spoke at the Umm al-Qura mosque, Baghdad headquarters of the Association of Muslim Scholars, a Sunni clerical group that is ~~verifed~~ believed to have ties to some insurgent groups."

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2006-01-11 02:06|| 2006-01-11 02:06|| Front Page Top

#3 But untrained monkeys (i.e. Democrats) would believe it.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2006-01-11 07:28|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2006-01-11 07:28|| Front Page Top

#4 "If the occupier would leave, Iraqis would live as brothers."
Cain and Abel come to mind.
In a way, Harith is right - if the US left, the violence should end pretty quickly. As soon as the Shia exterminated the Sunni en masse. With abundant Iranian 'help'. Be careful what you wish vor, Harith, you might get it.

Posted by Glenmore 2006-01-11 09:27|| 2006-01-11 09:27|| Front Page Top

#5 US occupation is the reason for al-Qaeda attacks

Glad to see everyone else's Frink-O-Maticâ¢ Bu||shit Meters pegging on this one. Sunni Arabs attempting to re-establish their Baathist regime has nothing to do with this ... but nooooooooooooooo! [/Belushi]

As I mentioned the other day, we need to stand down our troops for two weeks and let the Iraqis see just how much mayhem would continue unabated. I doubt that al Qaeda could even restrain themselve for a fortnight in order to gain the propaganda value. These murderers truly enjoy their work.

I'll repeat; I maintain that, however tragic, the Iraq campaign has been worth it if only to demonstrate for the outside world the glee and abandon with which Muslims slaughter each other. Anyone who is unable to take a page from this in terms of what awaits the remaining world when Islam begins its real expansion is stuck on stupid.

Posted by Zenster 2006-01-11 12:38|| 2006-01-11 12:38|| Front Page Top

#6 "I'll repeat; I maintain that, however tragic, the Iraq campaign has been worth it if only to demonstrate for the outside world the glee and abandon with which Muslims slaughter each other."

I agree, that's about the only good thing that will come out of the Iraq invasion. The daily reports of suicide bombing are sinking in at some level, and even if the media themselves are too "polite" to join the dots, many viewers/readers will draw their own conclusions about the true nature of Islam.

Posted by Vespa 2006-01-11 13:24|| 2006-01-11 13:24|| Front Page Top

#7 When a terrorist explodes a bomb killing a hundred civilians, I don't see that as Muslims "killing each other".

I see it as one guilty Muslim killing a hundred innocent ones. The difference may be subtle to some, but I think essential.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2006-01-11 15:12|| 2006-01-11 15:12|| Front Page Top

#8 I see it as one guilty Muslim

Just one otherwise normal guy who goes bad because his dad's unemployed, his mom died, the dog ate his homework, and bam, a bit flips and he decides, all by himself, to go to the local Radio Shack and buy a book on how to use his garage door opener to detonate a bomb. Then he goes to the Army/Navy store and buys some surplus 155 mm rounds to hook up to the neato electronics he's designed. Then he hangs around the places where lots of people congregate and picks the time when no one will notice him planting the device. He waits till there are plenty of people around and pushes the button and bang, 100 people deqad. All because of one lone guilty Muslim who simply had a disadvantaged childhood.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-11 15:31|| 2006-01-11 15:31|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm not obligated to respond to ridiculous arguments you randomly try to put in my mouth, Nimble.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2006-01-11 15:35|| 2006-01-11 15:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Aris, when you have literally thousands of these types doing this on orders from their Muslim Leaders it IS Muslims killing other Muslims. Maybe that's the problem. You see these as individuals acting on their own initiative instead of a concerted effort on one Muslim faction to murder innocent people. If these were a few random incidents I would agree but this is not. It is a strategy orchestrated by people who want to have total control over other people.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-01-11 15:52|| 2006-01-11 15:52|| Front Page Top

#11 You see these as individuals acting on their own initiative instead of a concerted effort on one Muslim faction to murder innocent people

No, you failed to get my point. I don't see it as Muslims killing EACH OTHER, I see it exactly the way you describe it, I see it as the agents of a murderous Islamofascist faction/ideology killing innocent people.

Or to put it another way, I don't equate the victim and the victimizer.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2006-01-11 15:56|| 2006-01-11 15:56|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm not obligated to respond

No, you're not. And that's especially advisable when it's been pointed out what a self-evidently dumb statement you made.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-11 15:58|| 2006-01-11 15:58|| Front Page Top

#13 I was too subtle for you, Nimble, as I predicted back in #7.

[sarcasm]It's not as if I've spent the last three years decrying the genocidal nature of Islamofascism, afterall.[/sarcasm]

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2006-01-11 16:05|| 2006-01-11 16:05|| Front Page Top

#14 I do not "get" the subtlety of your point. It is Muslims killing Muslims because they are not the "right" Muslims. No subtelty there. It's not Buddhists killing Muslims.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-01-11 16:10|| 2006-01-11 16:10|| Front Page Top

#15 1) One variety of Muslims killing another variety of Muslims.
2) Muslims killing "each other".

I did say the difference is subtle. For me the second sentence treats the two kinds of Muslims as equivalent: the civilians, and the Islamofascists/terrorists that murder them.

When people speak of "Muslims killing each other", in my experience they generally (though perhaps not always) tend to use that as a dismissive argument: the whole of the Muslim world being a hopeless case.

Rather than (the way I see it): the Muslim world being in the midst of a civil war with a side that should be supported and a side that should be opposed.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2006-01-11 16:57|| 2006-01-11 16:57|| Front Page Top

#16 the Muslim world being in the midst of a civil war

That's subtle.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-11 17:10|| 2006-01-11 17:10|| Front Page Top

#17 I did say the difference is subtle

Bravo!

Posted by Hupaish Ebbaitle4825 2006-01-11 19:25|| 2006-01-11 19:25|| Front Page Top

#18 Not to change the subject, but (see #4)

As I mentioned the other day, we need to stand down our troops for two weeks and let the Iraqis see just how much mayhem would continue unabated.

Would that look like the Gaza Strip, maybe?

Posted by Bobby 2006-01-11 19:48|| 2006-01-11 19:48|| Front Page Top

#19 That's not subtle, that's obtuse.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2006-01-11 19:50|| 2006-01-11 19:50|| Front Page Top

#20 Deacon Blues> As you wish. I think I may just be paying more attention to the ideological usages of rhetoric than you do.

"They are killing each other" is a phrase I've heard before from Greeks, in regards to Albanian gangs preying on other Albanian immigrants -- it stank of not bothering to differentiate victim and victimizer back then also.

Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris 2006-01-11 20:57|| 2006-01-11 20:57|| Front Page Top

#21 How can one neatly identify victim and victimizer when so many "victims" believe the "victimizers" are justified in their cause?

Posted by jules 2 2006-01-11 23:12|| 2006-01-11 23:12|| Front Page Top

#22 I see it as the agents of a murderous Islamofascist faction/ideology killing innocent people.

So which "Islamofascist faction/ideology killing innocent people" is it, Aris?

Sunni? You know, those guys who fly fully loaded passenger airliners into occupied skyscrapers.

Or Shiite? Those delightful folks who want to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth."

If Iraq's own citizens had put up more of a fuss about Ahmadinejad's genocidal Holocaust-denying rhetoric I might feel a little more sorry for them. I might even be willing to adopt your particular way of thinking about "victim and victimizer."

Unfortunately, too many of the Middle East Islamic players are barbarous savages with ZERO respect for human life. Be they Iranian, Iraqi, Saudi, Yemeni ... etc. I firmly believe this is a matter of how "Muslims slaughter each other." Just as I believe that this is a golden object lesson of what awaits the outside world once the internecine squabbling is over.

We've already gone over the disparity betweeen European and American vision with respect to moral high ground. America is in Iraq, at least partly, to prevent further slaughter of Shiites (let alone Americans at home, too). We would rather bear the onus of causing collateral damage averting regional disaster than to sit back, take no action at all and putatively maintain any sense of blamelessness. That is the essential difference in terms of pragmatic versus idealistic solution orientation. I do hope that you remember this previous discussion, Aris.

To repeat in detail; Even the horrendous spilling of American blood has been worth it if the world finally realizes how fecklessly Muslims spill each others' blood. At some point regard for human life will take precedence over those who deny same.

Posted by Zenster 2006-01-11 23:48|| 2006-01-11 23:48|| Front Page Top

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