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You have to see this for yourself! - A VETERAN TELLS OFF MURTHA/MORAN

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Posted by Yosemite Sam 2006-01-09 12:51|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The NCO's that make American forces what they are say it for what it is!

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-01-09 13:36|| 2006-01-09 13:36|| Front Page Top

#2 It was a bad day for Murtha and Moran. General Louis C. Wagner also rose to speak and left Moran fumbling for words. When Moran said he also supported the troops the General walked out on him.
Transcript from the Mudville Gazette via Michelle Malkin. You can find the video on Michelle's page. Scroll down to: VIDEO: ANOTHER VET TELLS OFF MURTHA/MORAN January 07, 2006 11:05 AM

Hello Mr Moran I'm General Wagner. I'm here tonight, I decided to come at 7:30. And I'll tell you the reason I came at 7:30 is because I want an answer to a letter, to a friend of ours. She wrote this letter to Mr. Murtha, where she pointed out to him that he was causing the insurgents to bring more activity against the soldiers in Iraq, just as the traitors did during the Vietnam war. I was fighting in 1972 with the Vietnamese when people were cavorting with the North Vietnamese.

Her son was killed today.

I got the message at 7:30 tonight, and I'll tell you, I wasn't going to waste my time coming here because I knew the trash that was going to be put out. But I'm really mad. Because what is being put out is being used to incite the insurgents to continue this war, just as it incited General Giap to consider the Vietnam war.

He hasn't answered her letter, Mr Moran, but I want to read a paragraph to you. I think its a little instructive:

"I have faith in our military leaders and believe that they are making the necessary steps to train the Iraqi forces and provide for our eventual withdrawal. I also have faith in our executive branch, that they are taking the necessary steps to help the new Iraqi government to get a democratic style government in place and to give them at least a chance of success. Although mistakes were made in the execution of the war and its aftermath, the goal itself is worthy, and in spite of all the negativity that we are constantly bombarded with I believe that there have been some remarkable successes.

"Although my son would surely" - and this, incidentally, this is the one that was killed today - "would surely prefer to stay home with his wife and four young children" - from 10 to 2, I'm adding that - "he is both a soldier and a scholar, he understands that we are in a vital long term struggle against a dangerous ideology, and he is willing to make the necessary sacrifices to defeat it. It is a difficult struggle and will require patience and fortitude both on and off the battlefield. If we lose our will at home, it makes the task for our soldiers all the more difficult. I believe your comments were irresponsible and are contributing to the loss of national will. If they were made to obtain political advantages I would find that abhorrent and unworthy of a former Marine."

Sir, I'm mad. Because that is happening every day when I read the newspapers. I visit Walter Reed, and talk to the young soldiers with their legs blown off. I know you do too.

I can't find one in a dozen that don't believe that they are fighting for a noble cause and are fighting to go back. And I think it's a disgrace when members of our congress, just as they did in 1975 when they sold out the South Vietnamese, are selling out our soldiers today in Iraq.

Thank you sir. (no applause)

Then the almost speechless Moran tries to respond.

Well... uh... Ge.. General... uh.. uh.. we're not gonna end... uh... I'll respond.

But..., um... I.. I do respect your point of view, I know it is widely shared. Uhh... and, um..., and I respect your service in the military.

Uhhh.. I do support the troops, and I do believe that the best way for me to support the troops is to make sure that when they do go to war its a war that needs to be fought. Uh... I... (applause) I... In response to the first two... I don't want the applause, because its going to be interpreted that I'm appealing to the audience. But the, uh... with regard to having faith in the troops I do have faith in our troops, and... uh... but with regard to having faith in uhh... the government that sent them, I don't, and the reason I don't is because they deliberately... is because the reasons that we were giving... given to go to war in Iraq were not accurate, uhhh, and, um, uh, and uh we have now found that Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, there wasn't reliable evidence that he did. He was not a threat to the United States despite any number of attempts in any number of speeches to uhhh... tie Saddam Hussein to the attacks of 9/11 he had nothing to do with it. So our going into Iraq was not in response to any attack, or even real threat to the United States, and it seems to me it uhh... it failed on that and any number of other reasons for being a war that was of necessity.

Thanks for the bandwidth, Fred.

Posted by GK 2006-01-09 14:43|| 2006-01-09 14:43|| Front Page Top

#3 You missed the point where the good General stomped out of the room in disgust as Moran said 'I support the troops'...

You have to understand that when Moran or Murtha or Kennedy or Kerry say 'I support the troops' they are not talking about U.S. troops. To them 'the troops' or 'our [their] troops' are Al-Quada, Iran, and Taliban troops (or any troops who might kill more american soldiers (so that they can claw their way over the dead bodies to get into power again).

If you start making that little translation it all makes perfect sense.

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-01-09 15:09|| 2006-01-09 15:09|| Front Page Top

#4 "I support our troops" is a polite noise that's supposed to deflect criticism because the speaker doesn't support what the troops are actually doing. Often it comes out as something stoopid like "The best way to support our troops is to bring them home!"

It worked for a little while because in 1969 the same people weren't saying it -- they were "asking questions" about the war, one of which was "how many babies did you kill?" (My response: "No more than I could eat.")

To nitwits like Moran -- and the twits who continue reelecting him, regardless of what he says -- it will always be 1969. Only now there are people who will call them on it.

Posted by Fred 2006-01-09 16:12|| 2006-01-09 16:12|| Front Page Top

#5 When Moran said he also supported the troops the General walked out on him.

Wow.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-01-09 16:52|| 2006-01-09 16:52|| Front Page Top

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