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2005-11-05 Europe

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Posted by Omath Craling9476 2005-11-05 10:35|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Nearly 900 vehicles were torched and 250-plus people arrested as French police desperately battled the country's worst rioting for decades, which has now raged for nine consecutive nights.

Clue #1: There's a way to deal with these rioters, and arresting them is not it.

Posted by docob 2005-11-05 11:18|| 2005-11-05 11:18|| Front Page Top

#2 "Widespread riots across impoverished areas of France took a malevolent turn"

What, they were benevolent before?

Posted by dushan 2005-11-05 11:23|| 2005-11-05 11:23|| Front Page Top

#3 Turned malevolent did it? So what we've been seeing for the previous eight days was benevolent behavior?

Posted by GK 2005-11-05 11:26|| 2005-11-05 11:26|| Front Page Top

#4 On the bright side Villepin and Chirac's careers are now toast. I suppose it's possible, but it's hard to believe that the French could do worse than those two.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-05 11:33|| 2005-11-05 11:33|| Front Page Top

#5 I feel for the French citizens it reminds me of how I felt after time and time again in the 90's when we were attacked by terrorist but our "peace-love-&-happiness" leadership did nothing after all thier family and freinds were safe up in the ivory towers while us peasants were left to the hinderlands and barbarian wills.

The LLL leadership that is even stronger in EU than here has proven itself totaly inept of handling todays world or tommorows. I just pray that the enebitable day when the EU people go back to the right were sanity and national pride not peace-love-&-happiness and self hatred is strong, I just hope they go US style right and not back to the old Iperialist, Colonialist, Faciast ideas of the old EU right.

It really is sad to see LLL leadership that is so polluted that after 9days of riots and even spreading of such they still cant bring themselves to deploy the military declare martial law and start shooting people. Even Lousiana with their LLL gov (well as long as they are stealing food its OK they are just hungry, retardation that was proven so after the walmart cookies were left while big screens a flowith) and their LLL mayor (atop the hotel partying with the foriegn tourist while the police crumbled and the city fell into mad max, even with this line up the guard was deployed martial law was declared and in what by the 2nd day of looting it was over with a mere 8people shot trying to rob some workers, word travels fast about such and the point was made game over or DIE.

Posted by C-Low 2005-11-05 11:40|| 2005-11-05 11:40|| Front Page Top

#6 I want to feel for the French people, but they got the government and society they asked for. It is a bitter, painful lesson and hopefully one that doesn't kill them. The rest of the world needs to take note, you just can't reason with barbarians.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-11-05 11:43|| 2005-11-05 11:43|| Front Page Top

#7 According to a gentleman I "know" (read internet relation) and who toured the areas, what's happening is not rioting; he's seen and lived through rioting in Guyana and Africa, their effect and their aftermath, and this is not it.
What he has seen and been told (he's got a card press) is more reminiscent of ponctual, targeted destructions. This is urban guerilla.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-11-05 11:44|| 2005-11-05 11:44|| Front Page Top

#8 Send in the Foreign Legion with fixed bayonets...

Posted by Jim">Jim 2005-11-05 11:50|| http//Technochitlins.com]">[http//Technochitlins.com] 2005-11-05 11:50|| Front Page Top

#9 are the Muslim extremists really this stupid? It's just like in Israel. Their ability to fight depends on the patience of their western hosts. So they exhaust it. Has a more self-destructive group ever existed?

Posted by 2b 2005-11-05 11:52|| 2005-11-05 11:52|| Front Page Top

#10 âWe are not going to start militias,â Mayor Alain Outreman said. âYou would have to be everywhere.â

That is the beauty of militias, they can be everywhere the police aren't. Self-empowerment is a wonderful thing. The problem for the elite is: How do you put the genie back in the bottle when once you have turned it loose?

Posted by DanNY 2005-11-05 11:55|| 2005-11-05 11:55|| Front Page Top

#11 mmurray

I agree you cant deal with barbarians exept with a 5.56 pointing thier way. However you got to feel for the common frenchman on the street. Yeah they voted for the gov they got and they are going to pay the price just as they are right now BUT that could be us in 01' Bush barely pulled out a victory over Gore that would have never invaded Afghanistan maybe some bombing raids of empty training camps with notice of overflight just in case sent to the Pak security then forwarded to the targets. And in 04' it wasnt much better and you look today with the meida short Fox which latley is falling into the flow constant harping of our defeat in Iraq, I mean we lost 3000 civilians in one day on 9-11 after 4yrs of war two invasions and 3yrs of occupation of two hostile populations with a meger 2000 dead in historical comparison that is unheard of yet it has been turned into a defeat that even the Right now accept as such that is pitifull. Look at Kosovo or Bosnia still a mess still UN peace their and still problems thats been running since mid 90's for gods sake yet I hear no quagmire comments??? the Peace-love-&-happiness mind set is heavily ingrained even in a lot of our Right. I feel for the french becuase that could very very easily be us tommorrow we have the same LLL mentality enstrength her in this nation just like thier the only differnce is today we have our Right in charge but tommorrow who knows? Many on the right are pretty damm light themselves McCain for one so the idea of actually shamming or pressing the threat of the peace-love&-happiness mentality into shame or even prosecuting some of this open Sedition is not very likley even thou it is looking more and more nessecary. In todays enviroment can you imagine a war in Iran or for gods sake one on the scale of WW2 we would have never made it to Midway before surrendering totaly demorilized and broken at home with the leadership in prison for not knowing about the attack general Mc Aurthur in prison for holding on so long wasing all of those lives on a hopeless defence.

We are not far behind the EU and what is happing thier today is could in just one election happen here tommorrow. So yeah I really feel sorry for the French and the EU common people.

Posted by C-Low 2005-11-05 12:02|| 2005-11-05 12:02|| Front Page Top

#12 reply to #9

yes, self-destructive groups have existed and still are. In evolution, these are called parasites. And the more, the better these adapt and find new victims (too "democratic" societies where responsibility is ignored, covering with "human rights").

Posted by Nesvarbukas 2005-11-05 12:05|| 2005-11-05 12:05|| Front Page Top

#13 Git a move on Mariane

Posted by Shipman 2005-11-05 12:14|| 2005-11-05 12:14|| Front Page Top

#14 A hundred people were evacuated overnight from two apartment blocks in one northern suburb after an arson attack set dozens of cars alight in an underground garage.

Another instance of the lack of deaths being more the result of luck than of design.

What he has seen and been told (he's got a card press) is more reminiscent of ponctual, targeted destructions. This is urban guerilla.

Well, yeah. That's what we've been saying.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-11-05 12:14|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-11-05 12:14|| Front Page Top

#15 What he has seen and been told (he's got a card press) is more reminiscent of ponctual, targeted destructions. This is urban guerilla."

All the more reason to shoot on sight.

We have heard time and again that once push comes to shove and their OWN interests are directly threatened by terrorists, the french can be as ruthless as any, if not more so. Well, it looks like that time is rapidly approaching. Time for the french to defend themselves and the very fabric or their society. If they can't summon the will and energy even for that, then they're as good as dead already.

Posted by docob 2005-11-05 12:29|| 2005-11-05 12:29|| Front Page Top

#16 If they can't summon the will and energy even for that, then they're as good as dead already

and deservedly so. IIRC arms are not available to the common Frenchman?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-11-05 12:45|| 2005-11-05 12:45|| Front Page Top

#17 c-low. Right you are.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-05 13:17|| 2005-11-05 13:17|| Front Page Top

#18 Frankistan as a state is slowly ceasing to exist, no doubt about it. Where is the French Army, where is the legendary Legion Etrangere?
I guess it is time for a partition of a rotting corpse - first Spain should get back her Roussillon; Savoy, Nice and Corsica go to Italy, Alsace-Lorraine - to Germany and the North (Flemish Westhoek) to Belgium.
And the rest can slowly simmer...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-11-05 13:28|| 2005-11-05 13:28|| Front Page Top

#19 Spain? You mean al-Andalusia?

Posted by Thrineck Theretle8664 2005-11-05 13:58|| 2005-11-05 13:58|| Front Page Top

#20 They'll be part of the Caliphate before they get around to partitioning the country, Matt. My guess is sooner rather than later, just as Zapatero is negotiating with the Arabs for just such an outcome.

Posted by disgusted 2005-11-05 14:07|| 2005-11-05 14:07|| Front Page Top

#21 Friday is Muzzie prayer day. Why don't these articles tell about the calming words the leaders of the religion of peace offered on Friday and how they calmed the youths?

Posted by Ebbavilet Ulirt2411 2005-11-05 14:09|| 2005-11-05 14:09|| Front Page Top

#22 Because they figure that the GOVERNMENT should be making appeasing sounds, not them.

On account of their feelings have been hurt an' all.

Posted by disgusted 2005-11-05 14:16|| 2005-11-05 14:16|| Front Page Top

#23 Just a few random thoughts

The solution is not a single thing. But to start curfew (I haven't heard of one) and troops on the street with a shoot on site order. Then the other things that are needful can begin. The government of France is diddling around. This is the only way.

The current Government of France is considered "right wing" even though right wing. What will replace will be a Socialist now I fear.

The UK has places where Fire trucks and Ambulances need police escorts too. It's got the same problem.

I am going to catch hell for this but I believe every human should have the possibility of a living wage job. No matter how stupid or handicapped they are, useful work should be available to them. Lots of these problems wouldn't exist at the level they do if that was the case. Idle hands are the devils playground.

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-11-05 15:02|| 2005-11-05 15:02|| Front Page Top

#24 expect a boomer --- avenging police brutality --- any day now.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-11-05 16:30|| 2005-11-05 16:30|| Front Page Top

#25 Yes. I'm surprised Z-man hasn't gotten someone in there yet.

Posted by Jake-the-Peg 2005-11-05 17:05|| 2005-11-05 17:05|| Front Page Top

#26 You know, the easy way to stop this is to turn off the utilities to the area: no cell phones, no phones, no electricity, no gas, no water. Put these punks back in the 7th century. Arm the police and shoot to kill. First shoot the media jackals, then the lawyers, then the sociologists, then any bleeding heart who opens his mouth. Then march through the cites arresting every male over 12. Interrogate to find the bad guys. Throw them in jail or shoot them. Send the rest to Algeria.

Posted by Random thoughts 2005-11-05 18:41|| 2005-11-05 18:41|| Front Page Top

#27 First shoot the media jackals,

Er, um, NO.

Since I've posted articles on Rantburg, that would technically make Me a "media jackal."

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-11-05 21:04|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-11-05 21:04|| Front Page Top

#28 Now would be a great time for Germany to attack France again!! Matter of fact France should beg Germany to attack. BTW - What is the EU doing about this?

Posted by Long Hair Republican">Long Hair Republican 2005-11-05 21:19|| 2005-11-05 21:19|| Front Page Top

#29 When things get this bad, there is only one thing to do at a time like this: Sing Along:la Marseillaise

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends!

Refrain
To arms, citizens!
Form up your battalions
Let us march, Let us march!
That their impure blood
Should water our fields

Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

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This horde of slaves, traitors, plotting kings,
What do they want?
For whom these vile shackles,
These long-prepared irons? (repeat)
Frenchmen, for us, oh! what an insult!
What emotions that must excite!
It is us that they dare to consider
Returning to ancient slavery!

What! These foreign troops
Would make laws in our home!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would bring down our proud warriors! (repeat)
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brows would bend beneath the yoke!
Vile despots would become
The masters of our fate!

Tremble, tyrants! and you, traitors,
The disgrace of all groups,
Tremble! Your parricidal plans
Will finally pay the price! (repeat)
Everyone is a soldier to fight you,
If they fall, our young heros,
France will make more,
Ready to battle you!

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors,
Bear or hold back your blows!
Spare these sad victims,
Regretfully arming against us. (repeat)
But not these bloodthirsty despots,
But not these accomplices of BouillÃ©,
All of these animals who, without pity,
Tear their mother's breast to pieces!

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Sacred love of France,
Lead, support our avenging arms!
Liberty, beloved Liberty,
Fight with your defenders! (repeat)
Under our flags, let victory
Hasten to your manly tones!
May your dying enemies
See your triumph and our glory!

Refrain

We will enter the pit
When our elders are no longer there;
There, we will find their dust
And the traces of their virtues. (repeat)
Much less eager to outlive them
Than to share their casket,
We will have the sublime pride
Of avenging them or following them!

Refrain

To arms, citizens!
Form up your battalions
Let us march, Let us march!
That their impure blood
Should water our fields

Posted by 2b 2005-11-05 22:06|| 2005-11-05 22:06|| Front Page Top

#30 ooops...got a little extra garbage in there. Ah well.

Posted by 2b 2005-11-05 22:07|| 2005-11-05 22:07|| Front Page Top

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