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2005-09-13 Europe

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Posted by DanNY 2005-09-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Ask your doctor if pork products are right for you.

See our ad in Health Magazine.

Posted by Chris W.">Chris W. 2005-09-13 00:54|| 2005-09-13 00:54|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm curious just how "Religious" these idiots are, My bet is that this "Pork Gelatin" finding goes completely ignored.

They're only religious when their own comfort is not disturbed.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-13 02:21|| 2005-09-13 02:21|| Front Page Top

#3 I guess that strict Muslims are sh*t outta luck, unless they can feel comfortable with the special cases in the ~~Ops Manual~~ Q'u'o'r'a'''''n.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-09-13 02:26|| 2005-09-13 02:26|| Front Page Top

#4 What about Kosher Jews?

Posted by Abd Al-Sabour Shahin 2005-09-13 06:08|| 2005-09-13 06:08|| Front Page Top

#5 I welcome this Darwinian test of intelligence!

May those that don't like pigs die in droves, and that goes for everyone.

Posted by Ulereger Clavigum6227 2005-09-13 07:25|| 2005-09-13 07:25|| Front Page Top

#6 A vegetarian friend of mine once pointed out that, despite gelatin being made from animal products, most vegetarians ignore that fact. Something about the amount of processing it goes through essentially rendering it not-animal.

I suspect there's a similar judgement -- particularly in regards to medicine -- for Jews.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-09-13 07:42|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-09-13 07:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Gummy bears are made from cattle so..... I will likely catch mad cow one of these days.

Posted by 3dc 2005-09-13 08:49|| 2005-09-13 08:49|| Front Page Top

#8 AAAAKKK, "Gummy Bears" I wondered why I've been staggering around lately, (I'm Doomed)

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-13 11:11|| 2005-09-13 11:11|| Front Page Top

#9 Sometime during the Dark Ages, the rabbis ruled that, "Anything is permitted in the saving of a life." This would include not only pork-based pill capsules, but my father's ultra-Orthodox grandmother preparing the doctor-prescribed pork boullion with her own lovely hands (and kosher utensils!) when my father was severely ill as a toddler. In fact, the rabbis have forbidden adhering to Jewish law if to do so will put life in danger, except for choosing to cling to Judaism under threat of martyrdom. That becomes a matter of individual choice.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-09-13 12:35|| 2005-09-13 12:35|| Front Page Top

#10 "Oh, well. Guess they might as well become Lutherans."

No,no. Lutefisk is haram, too, I'm sure....

Posted by Thavimp Gramp1194 2005-09-13 13:03|| 2005-09-13 13:03|| Front Page Top

#11 ...and the average Muslim doesn't have a clue, either

Oh, no! Not gonna touch that line. Like fish in a barrel!

Posted by SteveS 2005-09-13 13:15|| 2005-09-13 13:15|| Front Page Top

#12 Trailing Wife is right. I think the rules on pikuach nefesh were promulgated very early on, during the time when the Babylonian Talmud was being collected. Jews have no problems with pig-derived replacement heart valves, pig-derived medicine, not fasting when that would endanger the subject's help, and violating Shabbat rules to preserve life. The philosophy is that "The Law was made to live by, not to die by."

For example, Talmudic law prohibits a woman from fasting for three days after childbirth, and makes it optional for seven. Modern rules extend that to the entire pregnancy, of course.

The only three laws that may not be broken to preserve human life are the laws forbidding idolatry, murder, and adultery.

I once read a book on Judaism and medicine; Jewish writings on medical matters has always been very observant. One example is somewhat gruesome: the Rabbis ruled that if two brothers or maternal cousins suffer excess bleeding after their circumcisions, then their brothers and maternal cousins are exempted from the procedure. They may not have known the mechanism of the inheritance of [X-linked] hemophilia A, but they could see the problem clearly.

Posted by Eric Jablow">Eric Jablow 2005-09-13 18:32|| 2005-09-13 18:32|| Front Page Top

#13 Lutefisk is cod soaked in lye (Drano), dried and then water added. This fits no known food group. Its of the object_class: drain cleaner.

Posted by 3dc 2005-09-13 19:08|| 2005-09-13 19:08|| Front Page Top

#14 well the kashrut medicine question is a bit more complicated than that

First of all, there is a question of whether geletin made from pig hooves is really a pork product. Many of the rabbis say 'no' (most of the Israeli rabbis say 'no'). There was a very famous American rabbi (Joel Solovechik) who said 'yes' so most Kashrut labelling organizations do not give certification to products using geletin made with pig hooves.

This is somewhat similar to the aspirin problem where the coating of the aspinin comes from calcium extracted from the shells of shellfish.

prescription medicines are considered to be for the preservation of the soul (pichuach nefesh); however, non prescription medicines that are taken as 'good practise', such as vitamins are covered by the 'no pork rule'. There is a multivitamin available that doesn't use gelatin available by mail and many Jews and Muslims use this product.

Posted by mhw 2005-09-13 19:09|| 2005-09-13 19:09|| Front Page Top

#15 Pork - the other white meat - it's not just a noun anymore

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-09-13 21:32|| 2005-09-13 21:32|| Front Page Top

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