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2005-07-02 Afghanistan/South Asia

Imrana Rape Case Triggers a Storm in India

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Posted by Fred 2005-07-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 You know this is F*cked up when the communists make more sense than anyone else in the room. If this is really true muslim law, than they are beyond help.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-07-02 10:19|| 2005-07-02 10:19|| Front Page Top

#2 To me, with my simple agnostic mind, that's a question for the civil courts. Did a de facto divorce take place when he deserted her?

He did not desert her and there was no legal divorce.

He was an Indian soldier, recalled to duty ten days after the marriage and engaged in mine clearance along the LOC when he was captured by Pakistani forces in 1999.
He was assumed to have deserted by the Indian Army .
Her family arranged a new marriage in 2003.
According to Sharia, a woman must wait 4 years and then request a decree from the local qazi, however the family did not ask for nullification of the marriage.
She had a child with her new husband. But in 2004 Pakistan released the old husband. After the Army debriefed and cleared him of all charges, he went back to his village. His family had gone through hell, having been harassed by the villagers and local authorities because of his 'desertion' from the army. He wanted his life (and wife) back and appealed to the muslim clerics.

He was now a hero and the clerics ruled the second marriage was illegal. Her family and the clerics pressured her to return with the first husband. For good measure they declared the child illegitimate. The second husband retured home to find his wife and child gone.

As you said, laws should apply to all citizens. The Indian constitution itself demands that a common civil code by created. This was never done because the muslims opposed it.

The Indian Supreme Court overruled a muslim personal law in 1985. This was the Shah Bano case.
She was a 73 year old muslim woman who had been triple talaqed by her husband in 1978 and thrown out of the house.

Because Indian law entitled her to maintenance while sharia law does not (a woman is entitled only to mehr, a payment from her husband at time of marriage) she appealed to the courts and eventually won at the Supreme Court.

Many muslims protested the decision and the Rajiv Gandhi Congress Gov't rushed a law through the Indian parliament overruling the Supreme Court (and thus depriving an old, probably illiterate, woman with no means of support of her rightful due).

Posted by john 2005-07-02 10:34|| 2005-07-02 10:34|| Front Page Top

#3 The 150 year old Deoband seminary which issued the fatwa was formed as a reaction to the loss of muslim power power in the Indian subcontinent (the defeat of the Mughal empire by the British). It is not suprising that it is so backward. It strives to preserve what they see as an imperiled muslim identity from the numerically superior hindus.

The defeat of the Ottoman empire at the end of WW1 and the decline of the Raj prompted another round of backward thinking. The writings of Imam Madudi, who influenced the Egytian muslim brotherhood (Al Qaeda #2 Zawahiri is a member) are instructive.

They call for muslims seperating themselves from the unclean kaffirs. Muslims should dress diffently for example. Muslim dress (like the hijab/headscarf) is political not religious. The intent is the creation of a muslim political entity to resist the influence of outsiders (which would otherwise destroy islam) and enable the recreation of the capliphate.

The Pakistan movement was an extreme form of this thinking, ironically opposed by the Deobandis and the Jamaat Islami (Hind) which saw India as muslim territory to be reconquered.

Today they continue to oppose all attempts at integration , holding onto their seperate laws and rights (such as the haj subsidy from the Indian Gov't which actually violates Sharia since haj is supposed to be undertaken from a person's own funds).

Posted by john 2005-07-02 11:02|| 2005-07-02 11:02|| Front Page Top

#4 "Ooohhhh we're being bashed!"

Fucking muslim ignoranti should have their schools knocked to the ground just for their lack of learning and advancement. That means they're just socio-religious meeting places, kinda like Gotti's Ravenite Club

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-02 13:19|| 2005-07-02 13:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Good (if insane) stuff John. thanks.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-02 14:41|| 2005-07-02 14:41|| Front Page Top

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