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2005-04-19 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Cardinals Again Fail to Elect New Pope
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Posted by Spot 2005-04-19 8:38:06 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Wonder if the money is shifting from the 'Zinger.
Posted by Shipman 2005-04-19 9:47:44 AM||   2005-04-19 9:47:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Hope this doesn't run in to the NFL draft on saturday....
Posted by Frank G  2005-04-19 10:01:09 AM||   2005-04-19 10:01:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Yesterday's Wall Street Journal had an op-ed piece asking whether the West was ready for a third world pope. Europe and North America have the most liberal, and older, Catholics; Latin America, Africa, and Asia have more fervent, younger, and conservative catholics.

In the flap over the Anglican appointment of Eugene Robinson, someone pointed out that conservative Anglicans in the third world are also growing, and they have faced persecution there. People who have stood up to persecution, as John Paul II did in the Soviet days and as modern Catholics and Protestants in third world countries, aren't going to be afraid to stand up to political correctness.

There are 58 EUropean and North American Cardinals. There are 57 Third World Cardinals.
Posted by mom  2005-04-19 10:47:42 AM|| [http://idontknowbut@blogspot.com]  2005-04-19 10:47:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Why do they need to blow black smoke to show they haven't picked a pope? Couldn't they signal the same information by just not blowing the white smoke?
Posted by BH 2005-04-19 11:15:37 AM||   2005-04-19 11:15:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 The shortest conclave on record took two days, and most have run three to five days. It would be a shock if it was over this quickly.
Posted by Mike  2005-04-19 11:21:28 AM||   2005-04-19 11:21:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Quaaagmire!

Do they have an exit strategy?
Posted by Dreadnought 2005-04-19 11:26:59 AM||   2005-04-19 11:26:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Not all N.American Cardinals are "liberal" like the US "cafeteria Catholics" the newspapers always seem to be emphasizing. Look at Cardinal Stafford, for instance.

And this "rift" is due to peopel calling themsleves Catholic who realy are not. They were maybe baptised as infants, but they are no more Catholic than Jack Kevorkian: the hold beliefs that are counter to the Church's core teachings and counter to the Scripture. They just show up at holidays. The news organizations shoudl ask the *real* Catholics about their opinions: you know, the ones that give money to the Church, the ones who go to Mass every Sunday (it is an OBLIGATION for all Catholics to do so if able). THose are the real heart of the Church, not the excrebale lot who stand outside the teachings screeching for the Church to change to fit thier philosophy instead of going on what it has internally maintained for 2 centuries. The last time the Church tried to meet the external wishes in contravention with the Scriptures and great philosophers of the Church, it became the worldly mess it was during the late middle ages, and sparked the reformation.

Catholics for Abortion and others like them should be treated for what they are: Heretics. And excommunicated. Period. They can find another faith tradition that fits their politics if their politics are more important to them than the beleif in God's Word in the Scriptures, Christ's words, and the centuries of teaching by Christ's body on this earth (the Church). I'm sure the Anglican Church would be happy to have them.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-19 12:27:04 PM||   2005-04-19 12:27:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 The problem here is that the MSM has No Clue on who is truly Catholic and who is not. Many that claim to be Catholic are not, and cannot be because thier core beliefs are against the teachings of the Church. They are Christians, but not Catholic - believers who believe in the basic Christian teaachgins of the Triune God, and the Scriptures, but not the Catechism and Dogma of the Cathoic Church are not called Catholic - they are called Protestants. Its all the typical self centered "Me First" of the American Left - the stance that they dont need to change, the world must change to accomodate them even if it violates someone elses' beliefs.

The MSM should be more observant - they do differentiate between all the Islamic terrorists with a fine toothed comb -why can they not do the same with Christian believers? Why tar Catholcis with a broad brush of those who stand outside the Church while claiming to be part of it? Intellectual laziness or moral prejudice on the mart of the MSM I think.

Basically, if you claim to be Catholic, there are certain beliefs you MUST have and accept. If you do not have them then you are NOT Catholic. Its that simple. You cannot be pro-choice and Catholic anymore than you could be an Atheist and Catholic. Atheists have nothing meaningful (other than denying them) to say about the tenets of Faith to believers that bears on the fundamental basis of the Church. And in turn, the Church puts the tenets of faith out there for all, but does not force itself on Athiests, so they can go on about their way; we do not convert at swordpoint like the Saracens and Islamists. These so-called "Catholics" who want gay marriage, abortion, birth control that is destructive of life, and other things like that are not Catholic in the truest sense; they are trying to make the Church bend its basis in faith to fit their politics. This would be like going to an atheist convention and forcing belief in God/gods on them and trying to call yourself an atheist none the less. When you CHOOSE to be Catholic, you accept the precepts of the faith as put forth in the Catechism and the Creed by the Holy Catholic Church. You do not try to force it to be something it isnt, not if you are being honest about your choice. If you cannot accept these precepts completely, then find a church that does allow you to have your faith in comfort. But don't bother calling yourself Catholic.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-19 12:38:09 PM||   2005-04-19 12:38:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 "we don't convert at swordpoint like the Saracens and Islamists" well, at least not anymore we don't.
Posted by shellback 2005-04-19 5:07:45 PM||   2005-04-19 5:07:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Can we go back to this headline? Then I'll still be only 117 heartbeats away.
Oh well, wait'll next year. At least I don't have that long plane flight home anymore...
Posted by Bernie Law 2005-04-19 5:11:02 PM||   2005-04-19 5:11:02 PM|| Front Page Top

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