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2005-04-05 Europe

Integration Overriding Priority for Europe Muslims: Activist

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Posted by Fred 2005-04-05 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 This didn't appear in the news but my Dutch friend told me last weekend that a Muslim School In Uden that had been firebombed after the Theo Van Gogh murder was torched again last week sometime. This guy is just trying to direct attention to the problem. The problem is the religion. Nothing is going to change that unfortunate fact.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-04-05 1:37:39 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-04-05 1:37:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 That was before Theo was slaughtered like a sheep. Now it's viewed as ill-mannered and ignorant, which I consider an accurate interpretation...

I have inlaws who wont shake hands with a woman. None of em would have anything to do with bombs or AK-47's. Sorry to come off as a johny one note, and I dont think Islam is the same as Ultra-O Judaism, but when folks say things, I gotta let you know the facts.

Look, Im not saying the Euros could accept Muslims who are as unintegrated as chassidic jews. The numbers are too great in the case of muslims. But it also seems to me that most muslims ARE integrating. Learning languages. Wearing western dress. Look at all the muslim women who SUPPORTED the ban on hijans in France. Are you telling me THEY are not integrated?

As for looking up what the prophet would have done, what the hell is wrong with that? Modern Orthodox jews look to rabbis to interpret Jewish law, to determine how far you can go in adapting to modern life. Hell, even us Conservative Jews are supposed to do that, and sometimes do. Yes, I will shake a womans hand, but no, I wont share pork ribs with y'all. And i wont let my daughter dress up like britney Spears. Even if thats "modern". America, does NOT insist we drop our ways, or our faith, and allows us to refer to our religious law in determining how modern to be, as long as we follow civil law. I dont see why Euroland shouldnt be the same.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-04-05 10:30:01 AM|| 2005-04-05 10:30:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Careful about the equivalencing, LH. I haven't noticed any chassidic folks flying planes into buildings nor, in the event, would I expect a failure to condemn those actions by the vast majority of Jewish adherents. So far the Islamic nutters seem a lot worse than the Jewish or Amish ones. They no longer get the benefit of my doubt and need to earn that back. They have done nothing to do so thus far.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-04-05 10:57:50 AM|| 2005-04-05 10:57:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 LH,

You raise several good points.

1. On the comparison between Islam and Judaism, ultimately the difference is that Islam has univeralist aspirations. Judaism, on the other hand, seems to pride itself on being an exclusive club.

2. When it comes to integration, I'm more of your mindset. Do as you please, but obey the law. You want to wear a sack on your head? Fine, but you've still go to mind the speed limit.

However, the concern for Europe comes down to numbers. You build up a large enough lump of unassimilated folks, they'll begin to exert their own political influence and make it difficult for those who wish to integrate to do so. After all, if 500 Muslims a day show up on your border, that's immigration. If 500,000 show up all at the same time, that's an invasion.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-04-05 1:51:33 PM|| 2005-04-05 1:51:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 So far the Islamic nutters seem a lot worse than the Jewish or Amish ones

Don't know about those Amish. That Amish fresh-baked buttery Apple pie is loaded with cholesterol! :-)

Posted by DMFD 2005-04-06 12:00:29 AM|| 2005-04-06 12:00:29 AM|| Front Page Top

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