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2005-02-16 International-UN-NGOs

Kyoto Accord Comes Into Force; Countries Must Cut Gas Emissions

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Posted by Jack Bauer 2005-02-16 9:22:15 PM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Article: ``This shows that the majority of the world can work together to tackle one of the biggest global challenges, climate change, said WWF European Director of Climate and Energy Stephan Singer in a telephone interview yesterday from Brussels.

The World Wrestling Federation has a Director of Climate and Energy?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-02-16 12:14:12 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-02-16 12:14:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 This is a brief summary of Kyoto. What I don't understand is that most of the signatories have absolutely no chance of meeting their Kyoto obligations. While data on actual emissions is difficult to find (suprise, surprise) most/all the signatories except Russia and Ukraine are already way over their CO2 targets (Spain by 40%, Canada by 25%) and the only way they will reach their targets is by a massive economic contraction (which may happen). So why sign up to a treaty they can possibly conform to?

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-16 12:23:27 AM|| 2005-02-16 12:23:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 That thing will be like the EU Lisbon Agenda, after 2 years everyone will be dismissing it as unreachable....

Posted by Ebbeaque Flainter8998 2005-02-16 12:46:38 AM|| 2005-02-16 12:46:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Here is a good graphic that shows compliance with Kyoto (2002 data). Of the developed economies only the UK and Swden are under their Kyoto targets, but it makes it clearer where the fudge is coming from. Eastern Europe is mostly far below their targets (becuase cheap energy from the Soviet Union stopped), so they will trade carbon credits and claim Kyoto worked to reduce CO2 emissions. Which of course is complete nonsense.

I've found out that countries measure Kyoto compliance by measuring the amount of energy they consume. If Kyoto were working, demand for oil and coal would be falling and consequently the price. In a separate development the world's largest coal producer said it would more than double the price of coal.

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-16 1:00:54 AM|| 2005-02-16 1:00:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I found this interesting article on CO2 over geological timescales. The money quote is - The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming. BTW the also an ice age refers to the fact we are currently in an ice age.

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-16 2:08:45 AM|| 2005-02-16 2:08:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Are you sure we're in an ice age, phil? I thought this was an interglacial period. I mean, wasn't the point supposed to be that the situation could tilt either way, depending on who could talk faster -- either a new ice age or catastrophic global warming?

Posted by trailing wife 2005-02-16 7:21:42 AM|| 2005-02-16 7:21:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 "...after 2 years everyone will be dismissing it as unreachable...."

...But only after saying that it's because of the US.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-02-16 7:36:20 AM|| 2005-02-16 7:36:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 TW, that depends on the geological time scale. If you take quarternary as a whole, thus far you can call it an ice age.

As you see here, we're approximately in the second half of an interglacial peak. There may still be a few warmer spikes, but there is a likelihood that the cold period is around the corner (2-4K years).

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-16 8:30:58 AM|| 2005-02-16 8:30:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 WWF European Director of Climate and Energy Stephan Singer: "We need to see increased and strengthened caps for industrialized nations..."
The game is just starting and already he's raising the stakes. Typical enviro-lobbyist. Lobbying is his career -- he'll never be satisfied. At best, he'll just drone on until he either gets an EU job or retires. At worst, he'll find a brand new tree-hugger cause to promote.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-16 8:44:32 AM|| 2005-02-16 8:44:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Didn't the Senate take a preliminary vote on the treaty, sort of to see what would happen if Bill had sent it to be ratified? And if so, notice how that never seems to turn up in the coverage.

Posted by Uneagum Wheremp9442 2005-02-16 9:18:31 AM|| 2005-02-16 9:18:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 The Senate has never voted on ratification because it would have made Clinton/Gore look like fools to the international community. In 1999 the Senate voted 95-0 to pass a resolution which stated that the Senate would not ratify unless developing countries such as China and India were included in the program.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-16 9:34:20 AM|| 2005-02-16 9:34:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Kyoto Accord Comes Into Force; Countries Must Cut Gas Emissions

Heh. So all you politicians, STFU!

Posted by mojo 2005-02-16 11:04:34 AM|| 2005-02-16 11:04:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 TW, we have been in a Ice Age for the last million years or so. The term Interglacial refers to a relatively short term retreat of the ice within the Ice Age. I.e. we are in an Interglacial and in an Ice Age.

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-16 2:38:34 PM|| 2005-02-16 2:38:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 All you need to know

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-16 4:45:04 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-02-16 4:45:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Ok, you all, I am now much more educated than I was before (and I was anyway already anti-Kyoto... so there!). I've saved all the sites you gave me, and this thread, too, for future reference. Well taught, all!

Posted by trailing wife 2005-02-16 7:07:16 PM|| 2005-02-16 7:07:16 PM|| Front Page Top

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