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2005-02-09 Iraq-Jordan

Nice Election. Now Let's Get out of There by John Derbishire

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Posted by gromgorru 2005-02-09 6:43:25 AM|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Link is busted here ya go:

http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire.asp

Posted by JerseyMike 2005-02-09 9:01:29 AM|| 2005-02-09 9:01:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Thanks Jersey

Posted by gromgorru 2005-02-09 9:29:31 AM|| 2005-02-09 9:29:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Derbyshire has a point, but there's one sticky problem with just upping and leaving: Iraq has what the modern world needs under its sands and chaos cannot be allowed to reign there. Some order has to be brought to that region whether it be trying to keep it all together or splitting it up into parts. We can't just say we're done and pack up and go.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-09 10:25:27 AM|| 2005-02-09 10:25:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Bomb-a-rama

Lets do a little calculation.
(a) How much would it cost USA to buy oil from, say, Mexico at 200$ per barrel?
(b1) How much is going to be invested in Iraq, has been invested in proping the economies of various Arab countries, Turkey, etc...
(b2) How much the protective anti-terrorist measures cost?

Now, subtract the total in (a) from the total in (b).

Posted by gromgorru 2005-02-09 10:36:41 AM|| 2005-02-09 10:36:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 We could let Baghdad go . . . and Tikrit, Fallujah and the like. If I understand correctly those parts have no oil, they are simply central to the country. Let it split up into Shi'ite south and Kurdistan (screw the Turks, if they didn't want Kurdistan they should have tried integration, not elimination).

But it would not be good for the region as a whole and would probably allow for Iran to acrquire by force the local resources. Iran doesn't have nukes . . . yet, I hope, but that is no reason to give them anything.

Posted by Jame Retief 2005-02-09 10:38:43 AM|| 2005-02-09 10:38:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 b1) How much is going to be invested in Iraq, has been invested in proping the economies of various Arab countries, Turkey, etc...

If Iraq can't be kept together, then I'd be inclined to invest in the Kurds, and get Kuwait involved in the oil fields in the south. Leave everything else to sort itself out? Sounds okay to me.

(b2) How much the protective anti-terrorist measures cost?

Protective? How about seeking out and killing terrorists outright?

Look, even if we could entirely replace Middle East oil with stuff from somewhere else, some of our allies (such as Japan) would likely still be dependent on that region. If the Japanese get shafted, we won't be able to escape the effects. It's in our interest to take our allies into consideration, and I mean REAL allies, not jerks like the Phrench or to a lesser degree, the Germans.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-09 11:22:03 AM|| 2005-02-09 11:22:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#7
#5 Facial expression 87b (polite attention verging on actual interest).

#6 Let me put it another way.
Derb, and I, believe the following
(a)US efforts in Iraq are wasted --- Islam & democracy are mutually exclusive (If you'll say Turkey, I'll be disappointed).
(b)Persian gulf oil and Jihad are a package deal.
(c)Major victims of worldwide rise in oil prices will be China and EU (whose members' budgets involve a LOT of "carbon" taxes).

Posted by gromgorru 2005-02-09 11:24:05 PM|| 2005-02-09 11:24:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Who gives a rats ass? WHats the RIGHT thing to do?

Stay and fix it. Its what America is all about, spreading freedom - look at Japan as a prime example of cultural conversion.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-09 11:38:14 PM|| 2005-02-09 11:38:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Sheesh. Wanking in public is ugly. Nice rant. No plan, no grasp, no vision, no future, no nothing. Nihilistic.

So what's left after this, "Surf's Up Dude!"?

*flush*

Posted by .com 2005-02-09 11:48:34 PM|| 2005-02-09 11:48:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Who gives a rats ass? WHats the RIGHT thing to do?

Stay and fix it. Its what America is all about, spreading freedom - look at Japan as a prime example of cultural conversion.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-09 11:38:14 PM|| 2005-02-09 11:38:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by OldSpook 2005-02-09 11:38:14 PM|| 2005-02-09 11:38:14 PM|| Front Page Top

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