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2004-09-11 Terror Networks
West can save Islam
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Posted by Fred 2004-09-11 7:24:23 PM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by UFO TROLL 2004-09-11 8:06:03 PM||   2004-09-11 8:06:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Cleaning crew: Spillage on aisle #1!
Posted by Zarathustra 2004-09-11 8:13:26 PM||   2004-09-11 8:13:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 
West can save Islam
And we would want to do that why, exactly...?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2004-09-11 8:21:44 PM||   2004-09-11 8:21:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Remember folks, DNFTT.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-11 8:22:12 PM||   2004-09-11 8:22:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 And we would want to do that why, exactly...?

Barbara, that was my own initial response as well. But there's also a tiny little voice inside my head that says this world would be better off if it avoided exterminating some 2 BILLION people.

Too bad there's this other voice that's shouting "who the f&%k cares?"
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-11 8:27:50 PM||   2004-09-11 8:27:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Zenster, there are not 2 billion Moslems on Earth. Further, most people counted as Moslem most probably couldn't care less, if they lived in a free society with freedom of religion.
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-09-11 8:35:13 PM|| [http://radio.weblogs.com/0103811/categories/currentEvents/]  2004-09-11 8:35:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Zenster - we need to save that 2 billion from the evil death cult of Islam. Save the unfortunate people who are enslaved by Islam by either destroying it or transforming it into something else.
Posted by CrazyFool  2004-09-11 8:35:28 PM||   2004-09-11 8:35:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by UFO TROLL 2004-09-11 8:35:31 PM||   2004-09-11 8:35:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Before 9/11 I didn't spend much time thinking about Islam, except to consider the exceedingly excited voices coming mostly out of the Iranian mullocracy. Now that I've studied the Koran, Moslem history, and had ample opportunity to listen to their modern-day insanities, I'd say that first of all Al-Qaida is very faithful to the Koran, and second Islam is not worth saving, not anymore so than Nazism and Communism would have been.

In WW II the dagger was aimed straight at Berlin. Today it should be aimed at Tehran and Mecca.
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-09-11 8:39:18 PM|| [http://radio.weblogs.com/0103811/categories/currentEvents/]  2004-09-11 8:39:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Drats! Now even the Arabs are clued into the continuing and inexorable plan for Jewish Global Domination. They KNOW about the commies and capitalism and how we, the Jews, are behind both. Just as long as they don't find out we're behind 'Mecca Cola' and use deep-fryed pork rinds as the filtering element.
Posted by Schlomo Sitzpinkler 2004-09-11 8:54:06 PM||   2004-09-11 8:54:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 #6 Zenster, there are not 2 billion Moslems on Earth.

World Muslim population (Projected in 2000) = 1,902,095,000

Further, most people counted as Moslem most probably couldn't care less, if they lived in a free society with freedom of religion.

And there's one of the really significant problems, Kalle. If those oppressed people are unwilling to rise up against their oppressors, at some point there may no longer be any opportunity to accurately distinguish between them and the violent fanatics whom they intentionally or inadvertently support. Fear not, I don't hope for any mass extinction if it can be avoided, I'm just not willing to play the sensitive guy if it means America having to take even one terrorist nuclear attack.

America brings a lot more to the table than pretty much any other nation on earth, be it any combination of medicine, technology, foreign aid, agriculture or military protection of the weak. One nuclear terror attack could cripple our ability to fight the war on terror and thereby relinquish some portion of this globe's vulnerable and as yet unbrainwashed population to Islamism's not-so-tender mercies.

Given the choice between having to be somewhat indiscriminate about exterminating the vipers' nests of terrorists or America taking a nuclear hit, I feel the choice is obvious.

#7 Zenster - we need to save that 2 billion from the evil death cult of Islam.

That's why I havn't banished that "tiny little voice" yet, CrazyFool. I trust you've already seen me take abuse here at Rantburg for maintaining that moderate Muslims actually do exist?
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-11 9:03:19 PM||   2004-09-11 9:03:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Zenster, we may not have any choice at some point. But until then, saving 1,711,885,500 people is the modus operandi.

About the 190,209,500? According to Bin Turki (Kingdom Of Satanic Arabia's princeling), the radical islamists are tiny minority of muslims, no more than 10%.
Posted by Zarathustra 2004-09-11 9:49:30 PM||   2004-09-11 9:49:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 There is nothing the West can do to save Islam. The "battle for the soul" of Islam has ALREADY been waged. And irredeemably lost. Satan won. What other power known to mankind would continence the targeting of innocent children as in Russia? None that I'm aware of.
Posted by Mark Z.  2004-09-11 10:04:38 PM||   2004-09-11 10:04:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Except that they're not all like that. Morocco's trying to come out of its Islamic doldrums. Tunisia's trying to come out of them. Jordan's (usually) trying to come out of them. Kuwait and (most of) the UAE are trying to come out of them. The state of Kurdistan would be a Muslim state, or at least Muslim majority. The Iraqi and Iranian bloggers show us Arabs and Iranians who're Muslim but not nuts. Most of India's Muslims manage to get along. Malaysia, for all its faults, is a developing nation, virtually the only Muslim nation with a degree of prosperity that doesn't get its money from oil.

The enemy's a political version of Islam that threatens the entire world, including the Muslim world. As a religion, Islam has its own built-in shortcomings that will always try to hinder development and human dignity, because of the violence and degradation that're built into the Koran. It's Islamism as an ideology that goes beyond separate problem of the religious bucket on the foot.
Posted by Fred  2004-09-11 10:29:53 PM||   2004-09-11 10:29:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 The article falls into the usual trap by saying that Islam is being hijacked. But it isn't being hijacked, the Koran clearly states that Muslims must wage war on 'unbelievers', until they are 'subdued'. Islamic terrorists are not mocking the teachings of Islam, they are carrying them out faithfully, to the letter.
Posted by Mr Gray 2004-09-11 11:00:37 PM||   2004-09-11 11:00:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 There is only one way. Renounce religion and establish a secular democratic society. Europe found that out 300 years ago. It is time to learn from the experience of the others. OR ELSE UR ASS IS THE FOOTBALL AND THE WORLD IS A FIELD
Posted by anon 2004-09-11 11:06:13 PM||   2004-09-11 11:06:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 (#14) Except that they're not all like that.

On this of all days thank you, Fred, for coming forward to drive such an important point home. No matter how much I carp about the thin-ice-on-a-hot-day that Islam is skating upon, I refuse to accept that all Muslims are Islamists. I have worked along side too many civilized people of the Islamic faith to ever declare 100% of them irredeemable.

The enemy's a political version of Islam that threatens the entire world, including the Muslim world.

It's almost heartbreaking to watch a majority of Muslims somehow ignore this one incontrovertible fact. The risk is not only to the West, no matter how many Muslims secretly wish this in their heart of hearts. There is nothing but incredible danger awaiting all of Islam's followers if they cannot disengage from the radical jihadist mentality. A first step would be agreeing to declare Wahhabism and Salafism to be political ideologies and not religions (per Zhang Fei).

I unabashedly predict the most Dire™ outcome resulting from Islam's inability to disengage with its radicals and often am unfairly accused of promoting a "kill 'em all" mindset, but that is merely disinformation on the part of my detractors.

#12 Zenster ... According to Bin Turki

I respectfully ask that you make no further reference to bin Turki without perusing the link I have provided. This maggot is the fox in the henhouse.

#15 The article falls into the usual trap by saying that Islam is being hijacked. But it isn't being hijacked, the Koran clearly states that Muslims must wage war on 'unbelievers', until they are 'subdued'. Islamic terrorists are not mocking the teachings of Islam, they are carrying them out faithfully, to the letter.

Mr Gray, there is part of me that is screaming to agree with you. However, there is a worthy core, however small, within Islam that can be reformed and preserved. Should a majority of Muslims pursue this end, I cannot argue against their right to worship. If none of them can find it within themselves to attenuate their faith's obsession with world dominance, then they can all rot in hell.

#16 OR ELSE UR ASS IS THE FOOTBALL AND THE WORLD IS A FIELD

Only if that deflated pigskin is destined to be drooped over the goalposts of the home team.
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-12 12:04:39 AM||   2004-09-12 12:04:39 AM|| Front Page Top

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