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2004-09-11 Terror Networks

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Posted by Fred 2004-09-11 8:11:36 PM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It will only happen, however, when Muslims in sufficiently large numbers repudiate Islamism for what it is ...

This is just one way of doing it. If moderate Muslims refuse to participate in the salvaging of their faith, others will halt the inroads that Islamists are making by killing them. What moderate Muslims need to remember is that outsiders, bereft of more finely tuned discriminative and insightful powers that Islam's faithful might have, will probably be a lot less sensitive about distinguishing between those who truly are fanatical and other Muslims who are merely reticent to criticize those same fanatics. Can you say c o l l a t e r a l - c a s u a l t i e s ? Very good, I knew you could.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-11 8:39:32 PM|| 2004-09-11 8:39:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, Zenster, that pretty much supports my suggestion to nuke Iranian nuclear and military facilities to make the Islamic world at least fear us if they won't respect us.

Posted by Tom 2004-09-11 8:47:12 PM|| 2004-09-11 8:47:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I just wannah say Muslims clean your bathroom because it is stinking the neighborhood or we will demolish your house. I mean who has the fucking time to decide that this is a good Indian and this is a bad Indian. The only Good indian is a dead one.

Posted by Fawad 2004-09-11 8:49:34 PM|| 2004-09-11 8:49:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Well Tom,
The guys really needing a lesson in fear and respect are the Saudis they thing they have the whole world fooled.
We should make an example out of them.

Posted by Fawad 2004-09-11 8:54:10 PM|| 2004-09-11 8:54:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Iran is our greatest current threat. The Saudi royals will think twice about letting their fanatics mess with us - once they see a mushroom cloud or two off to their northeast. Right now they are only cracking down gingerly to avoid upsetting their internal status quo. When they truly have to choose between the rich, pampered, oil-financed life and the Taliban-style life, I'm betting they'll opt for oil.

Posted by Tom 2004-09-11 9:14:35 PM|| 2004-09-11 9:14:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Tom, I fully comprehend the import of providing the Iranians, and the entire Middle East in general, with the sort of ~~mindless violence~~ object lesson they have come to love and respect.

I trust that you completely understand why I oppose first use of nuclear weapons. Once the atomic genie is out of the bottle, any terrorist group on earth will feel as though they have been given license to counterattack America with nuclear weapons as well.

I know that glassing and Windexing Iran would provide a lasting impression for other Arab rogue nations and terrorism sponsors. Fortunately, we have conventional weapons that can achieve the exact same ends without making the conflict no-holds-barred.

What I have advocated here at Rantburg is a retaliation-in-kind protocol. Whereby, if America is attacked with chemical weapons, we then dust Medina or Mecca with the same toxin. Bio-attacks = same spores or virus, right before the haj. Nuclear attack = glass Medina then Mecca next. I feel this would be much more productive than rushing the gate with a needless nuclear attack upon Iran as opposed to a conventional one.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-11 9:33:21 PM|| 2004-09-11 9:33:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 "...without making the conflict no-holds-barred"??? No terrorist with a nuke is going to hesitate to use it. And any delay would risk losing it before using it. Terrorists have no "no first use" doctrine. Take your gloves off.

Posted by Tom 2004-09-11 9:37:48 PM|| 2004-09-11 9:37:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 In the event of a suitcase nuclear attack on the USA I've been given to understand we may never know the source of the attack. Perhaps it might be wise to discreetly advise each Muslim country on earth that should such an attack take place on US soil they should consider themselves ripe for retaliation. At the very least it would give said countries an incentive to thrwart such an attack if they had prior knowledge of the plan to hit the USA. I for one am not convinced that NO Muslim gov't on earth had prior knowledge of 9-11.

Posted by Mark Z. 2004-09-11 9:50:57 PM|| 2004-09-11 9:50:57 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by UFO TROLL 2004-09-11 9:52:07 PM|| 2004-09-11 9:52:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Tom, without wishing to be unnecessarily pedantic, are you aware of the "retaliation in kind" doctrine? I am concerned that you do not fully appreciate what America "taking the gloves off" would entail in terms of inviting the very worst sort of terrorist attacks.

Retaliation in kind is a sagacious policy implemented by the United States armed forces for some half a century. Our military is committed to avoiding first use of NBC (Nuclear, Biological or Chemical) weapons without having had them deployed against us already.

This policy is in place for all the right reasons and I concur with its basic tenets. Be reminded that if America is attacked with any portion of the NBC arsenal, we have the option of going nuclear in response.

#8 In the event of a suitcase nuclear attack on the USA I've been given to understand we may never know the source of the attack.

This is a very mistaken notion, Mark Z. Through a sophisticated isotopic identification method known as "signature analysis," scientists are able to identify a majority of fissile material, right down to the particular reactor the enriched transuranics came from. Any given reactor imparts a unique ratio of such exotic elements as Americium, Francium et al to the weapons grade material it breeds. Through nonproliferation pacts, a large majority of reactors have been profiled.

Significantly, Pakistan, North Korea and (presumably) Iran refuse to submit samples of highly enriched weapons grade material for signature analysis. All this means is that if America is hit with a nuclear device which cannot be traced back to a unique source, we may well be obliged to destroy all of the noncompliant states mentioned above. No big shakes with the arsenal remaining in our silos.

The technology to manufacture a "suitcase" atomic bomb is not trivial. Compact form factor lensing and fail-safe mechanisms are more than a little difficult to fabricate reliably. The close proximity of the non-critical assembly to other components in the suitcase package causes them to undergo accelerated deterioration. The radioactive material emits sufficient heat to thermally cycle ancillary circuitry and promote corrosion of the mechanical parts as well. Suitcase devices have a projected shelf life of only a few years if not serviced on a regular schedule by skilled maintenance personnel.

I'm also pretty confident that diplomatic back-channels have already been used to make clear how rogue nations will appear at the top of our Christmas list in the even of a terrorist nuclear attack.

As mentioned in my preceding post, I feel we should also have a credible deterrent in place to discourage all Islamic states from sponsoring international terrorism. A specific calculated price should exist for a given transgression according to a graduated scale of response.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-11 11:24:14 PM|| 2004-09-11 11:24:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 A couple of things I'll comment on from the article and from some of the response.

First, Islam has NEVER been a nobel faith. The way they view women alone screws that deal.

Second, as far as not provoking any "NBC" type attacks I agree we should show some restraint, but I also have to believe that the freaking second these monsters have the ability combined with the opportunity to unleash something hellish in one or more of our cities THEY WILL! Of that I have absolutely no doubt!

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by RJB in JC MO 2004-09-11 11:54:48 PM|| 2004-09-11 11:54:48 PM|| Front Page Top

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