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2004-05-28 Home Front: Culture Wars

HAMTRAMCK IN THE GLARE: Call to prayer spurs angry noise

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Posted by Anonymous4617 2004-05-28 1:55:59 PM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 All it will take is another attack by AQ in America and these "Asian Americans" will wish they'd assimilated better when they had the time. I predict ugly times for the Religion of Peaceâ¢

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-28 3:43:00 PM|| 2004-05-28 3:43:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 The Islamic Society of North America has sent Chapter President Kareem Irfan to Hamtramck to get involved with this, so it is no small issue. Neither is it a question of racism. What has become obvious is that while the mosque members demand tolerance, they care little to practice what they preach. It is not necessary to publicly broadcast the call to prayers. 5x daily from 6 a.m. - 10 p.m. is quite excessive. The mosque members would do well to engage in a little sensitivity training themselves. This "in your face" attitude is what creates resentment.

Posted by jawa 2004-05-28 3:53:26 PM|| 2004-05-28 3:53:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 I have a religious need to blare Dope's "Die M.F. Die" five times a day outside of a mosque.

Think that the city of Hamtramck would deny me my religious rights?

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-05-28 3:57:09 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-05-28 3:57:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 The call to prayer BTW is another means of reminding Islamists not to stray...if they could put a muzzein in your head to sing 24/7 they would - it's mind control, excessive and pathetic

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-28 4:05:48 PM|| 2004-05-28 4:05:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 immigrants in america have historically assimilated to be an american...trying to force the culture of the country you LEFT on the adopted country is a recipe for disaster.

by assimilation we have avoided the immigrant ghettos that plauge europe. so if today's immigrants trully want peace and live in prosperity do not force a "europe" solution!

become American or get out!

i sure the hell would not want to hear the call to prayer 5 times a day...just reminds of people wanting to take over my country. i did not immigrate to thier country they came here - now deal with it!

Posted by Dan 2004-05-28 4:11:38 PM|| 2004-05-28 4:11:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I was in a back and forth today with a Morroccan (I think) named Abdel over at Healing Iraq. He took the usual position stating, and I quote "that Islam is THE universal religion". I really doubt that these folks will assimilate, even after a generation or two. I hope I am wrong. Unfortunately, I think that Frank G. is absolutely correct. Bad times ahead, especially after another attack.

Posted by remote man 2004-05-28 4:13:03 PM|| 2004-05-28 4:13:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Boy, reading about the City of Halftrack's travails is depressing. The Muslims will just look at the 5x call to pray deal as their right and will play the suffering muslim thing to the hilt. These confrontations are just the beginning of the war in this country. They are just the skirmishes.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-05-28 4:15:38 PM|| 2004-05-28 4:15:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 These guys loved hearing the call to prayer back in Bangladesh...

...and the answer is????

Posted by tu3031 2004-05-28 4:47:45 PM|| 2004-05-28 4:47:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 by assimilation we have avoided the immigrant ghettos that plauge europe.

That isn't happening much anymore, especially here in California. We have bilingual schooling, bilingual ballots, choices of English or Spanish (!) when dialing customer service lines or at ATMs, the occsional billboard advertisement in Spanish, obssession with "diversity", etc.

We may have had avoided Europe's problems so far, but it appears that unless people here wise up, it's going to be our turn.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-05-28 5:21:00 PM|| 2004-05-28 5:21:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Bomb-a-Rama is absolutely right. My field is English as a Second Language, so I have some familiarity with this topic; this bilingual rights stuff has to stop. A logical look at the question of providing translation/bilingual services:
When the Spanish-speaking immigrants in California feel they have a right to bilingual services, where does that leave rest of the non-native speakers in the US? If a Spanish speaker has a right to the services, why doesn't a Korean, a Russian, an Indian? Application of equal rights under the law and an electorate pushing for bilingual services rights would mean we would need to provide services for people with at least 100 different languages. It is a fool who starts down this road...Yes we can learn other languages---IF WE ARE INTERESTED IN DOING SO. ENGLISH SHOULD BE THE LANGUAGE OF INTERACTION IN OUR LAND.

Posted by jules 187 2004-05-28 5:50:08 PM|| 2004-05-28 5:50:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 BAR and Jules - the rollback of bilingual ed was a voter-approved victory. Next fight? The reintroduction by Gil Cedillo(D-LA) of another attempt at CA Driver's Licenses for illegals. Let's at least shut off the spigot for illegals?

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-28 6:02:39 PM|| 2004-05-28 6:02:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 yes it is true that we have bi-lingual in califorinia - like the DMV. why in the hell do we have test in every language but the road signs are in english - not much sense there.

but all in all we have avoided the problems of europe - and that is also culture in that spanish speaking people do not try and force religion on us...but they also pray to the same god.

on the surface it does seem bad in california - but a person who does not speak english will not go far (at least for now). they will be stuck working shit jobs and living in a majority spanish community - like Santa Ana.
i live in so california and i know many spanish heritage folks who do try and fit in..but it is not universal..
Frank G is correct though - shut off the spigot.
bring back Prop 187!

Posted by Dan 2004-05-28 6:29:19 PM|| 2004-05-28 6:29:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 âon the surface it does seem bad in california - but a person who does not speak english will not go far (at least for now).â

That is only half the story. In the future a Californian who does not speak Spanish will not go far.

My radiologist friend already gets flack because she canât speak Spanish with some of her patients. People who interact with the public or manage employees will increasingly need Spanish-speaking on their resumes.

My girl friend and I are learning Spanish.

Posted by Anonymous5032 2004-05-28 7:04:02 PM|| 2004-05-28 7:04:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 the rollback of bilingual ed was a voter-approved victory.

So was Prop 187. Don't expect bilingual education to stay rolled back tho, because its backers will surely push it again.

My radiologist friend already gets flack because she canât speak Spanish with some of her patients.

Why does it always seem that here in the U.S., it is more often than not the American that is expected to respect the newcomer's sensibilities? Then, when Americans goes overseas, it is we that are expected to watch what we say and do????

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-05-28 8:13:07 PM|| 2004-05-28 8:13:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 If that wailing noise was anywhere near my house I would have to hear but ONE time. Speakers can be destroyed as easy as they were installed.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2004-05-28 8:49:12 PM|| 2004-05-28 8:49:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 CS - I'd be right next to you in the court holding pen

Posted by Frank G 2004-05-28 9:46:43 PM|| 2004-05-28 9:46:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 They first need an EMP to fry the Imam Amp and speakers to give people some peace and quiet. Then we worry about the political implications and debate.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-05-28 9:58:50 PM|| 2004-05-28 9:58:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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