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Posted by phil_b 2004-01-17 1:08:47 AM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sorry Fred! My severe EFL obviously wasn't severe enough. Maybe you could out the stuff about Chavez. Who cares what some tin-pot marxist has to say anyway!

Posted by phil_b 2004-1-17 1:39:27 AM|| 2004-1-17 1:39:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I've no problem with Cheney as Veep in '04. I wouldn't mind Condi as VP either, followed by Condi as Prez in '08.
Can you just imagine the Lefty Dems' reaction to the first black AND female Prez? "Oh my Gaia! She's a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN! We can't allow that!"

He He He...it will be fun to watch the political and rhetorical contortions the Dems will go through.

Posted by Les Nessman 2004-1-17 2:01:22 AM|| 2004-1-17 2:01:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 no offense... but this is opinion not news.. is as valid as the slurs thrown at rice..
"One of the many dirty secrets of the Democratic Party is that its passion for gun control began, and continues to be, from a desire to disarm African-Americans and thereby make them powerless and dependent"
right. gun control is all about holding the black man down.. bull.

I vote for removal of this post

Posted by dcreeper 2004-1-17 4:50:53 AM|| 2004-1-17 4:50:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I vote for removal of this post

Ahhh, democracy in action. The post will stay.

Condoleeza versus Hillary 2008; I like the sound of it, not as much as President Condoleeza 2008 though.

Posted by badanov 2004-1-17 6:43:43 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-1-17 6:43:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Mr dcreeper

One of the many dirty secrets of the Democratic party is that it opposed abolition of slavery and that one of its senators has been in the Klan (but now he tells he didn't inhale).

There is a class of liberals whose heart bleeds at the suffering of the pooooor ~~niggers~~ blacks provided they docilly vote as being told, kill a few cops and, if black is female and pretty , docilly spread their legs. But if the black tries to think ny himself and doesn't accept to be a pawn they will head the mob to lynch him.

Posted by JFM 2004-1-17 7:57:09 AM|| 2004-1-17 7:57:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Condi in '08! Time to remind the nation that the Republicans is the Party of Lincoln and elect the best candidate, not because she's black or female, but because she's the best candidate!

Posted by Dar 2004-1-17 9:26:52 AM|| 2004-1-17 9:26:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 JFM, even granting your argument as being 100% acurate... I still see no validity for the claim about the fight over gun laws to be about putting down a given social group.. and I seem to recall some racist folks on the right, don see why a few on the left should surprise me..

the entire post stinks of opinion, vry biased opinion, it aint news, it's a rant

Posted by dcreeper 2004-1-17 10:19:51 AM|| 2004-1-17 10:19:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 By the way, Josef Korbel at the U Denver was Madeline Albright's Dad....

Not sure what the heck the author means by describing him as "Marxist"; as far as I understand, he fled persecution in Communist Czechoslavakia.

Posted by Carl in NH 2004-1-17 10:46:36 AM|| 2004-1-17 10:46:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 it aint news, it's a rant
That may be so, but it's an informative rant, and provides insight on another aspect of the War on Terror. If you don't believe that Latin America is being used to fund, train, and aid the Muslim attacks on the United States, you're blind, deaf and dumb. There's quite a bit of evidence available to prove the point.

Josef Korbel was a Marxist that got fed up with the system, and escaped. He used his position of power to do so - not the first, and not the only Marxist that followed that path. Just because he fled persecution doesn't mean he wasn't a Marxist.

Remember what the Soviet Union did to the German Marxists after WWII: any with any credibility were quietly eliminated, and replaced with people loyal to the Soviet Union. There would be NO "independent" communist party anywhere - only those that were satellites of the Soviet party.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-1-17 11:12:02 AM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-1-17 11:12:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 dcreeper, Please read the bannner of this cite very, very, carefully. This is RANTburg not NEWSburg.

As for the Democrats. They seem bent on keeping the minorities dependant (read: Addicted) on government programs (and thus, the Democratic party since only they have the minorities welfare (pun intended) at heart.)

Notice how every time someone proposes a program to help people get off of welfare or some other dependancy program the democrats start crying how it is to 'throw people out on the street' and 'slash your benefits for the greedy wealthy.'

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-1-17 11:20:34 AM|| 2004-1-17 11:20:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 'I still see no validity for the claim about the fight over gun laws to be about putting down a given social group.. and I seem to recall some racist folks on the right, don see why a few on the left should surprise me..'

dcreeper - the problem with arguing with the Left is that they specialize is confabulating multiple issues together and its generally not worth the effort to deconstruct their arguments to separate out the issues to achieve a rational analysis. Its like telling my 11 year old daughter that being cool is that not that important. More-or-less a complete waste of time.

You may consider Rantburg some right-wing cesspit, but in fact, for the most part, its intelligent people trying to understand the world they live in. Sure we mock! But the alternative is fear and loathing. We would like to admire and respect people and Condaleeza is someone we admire and respect for what she has done and the positions she has taken. You may want to reduce this to a racial discussion but we would prefer not to.

My apologies to the other regulars here for speaking on their behalf.

Posted by phil_b 2004-1-17 11:55:28 AM|| 2004-1-17 11:55:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 IMHO - the gun-grabber theology is part of a campaign not against blacks, but against all Americans who value self-reliance vs. nanny state control. Guns represent an individual's right to self protection, which is why they're resented by the Dems.

Posted by Frank G 2004-1-17 11:56:54 AM|| 2004-1-17 11:56:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I would argue that despite gun control, blacks pack as never before, and because they do, race relations in this country have never been better.

Think about it. Do you ever hear about a bunch of good ole boys jumping in the chevy pickup truck and going to the black part of town to terrorize the populace?

No.

Wonder why? They don't know who is packing, but they DO know that their putative victims will shoot back, as well they should.

Sooo, let the black comunity in this country defend themselves. Let us repeal gun laws. Cops and terrorist hunters can't be everywhere, but citizens can.

Posted by badanov 2004-1-17 12:22:32 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-1-17 12:22:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 ref # 11 Well said Phil.
dcreeper, welcome to Rantburg. Lurk around for a few days 'til you get the flavor then jump right in. I've observed that opposing views are welcome, but as you may have noticed, attempts at censorship are not.

Posted by Gasse Katze 2004-1-17 12:28:07 PM|| 2004-1-17 12:28:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Dcreeper

Try looking before you leap - thats one thing folks here do: we question the source and the tacit beliefs behind a lot of "crap" the popular press puts out.

I suggest you do a bit more research. A great many gun control laws, especially in the south, were aimed at disarming blacks. They were seldom enforced against whites. Its a matter of historical record.

And I got the stuff below from several web pages on a quick google search (some are "conspiracy" sites, every bit as suspect as the left wing, but othersa are well researched and well reasoned).

Read and learn:

The Kansas Journal of Law and Public Policy (Winter 1995) includes "The Racist Roots of Gun Control." The article documents the "historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws -- and not in any subtle way."

And this too...

"You don't need that kind of gun to hunt with" and variations on that theme.

In fact, hunters are quite often told that it is not their guns that are going to be banned. Well, in general, urban blacks don't hunt. Suburban and rural whites do. So what is being said is "We want to take the guns away from blacks". There are only two reasons why someone would want to accomplish such a thing. The first reason is to keep blacks subjugated. The other reason is a kind of paternalistic hope to protect blacks from themselves, a modern "White Man's Burden". While I think the first scenario is unlikely, the second one is no less offensive. There is KKK-type racism, easy to spot and also easy to dismiss as misguided. Then there is "stealth" racism, the kind that is seductive to those who feel, instead of think. The kind that, at it's heart, says "We need to take care of you, to protect you from others and yourself". So we come to find out that what most gun control advocates are trying to do is increase the hurdles for legal gun ownership so that it may be more inconvenient for whites, but almost impossible for urban blacks. Indeed, it is already like that in many large cities, where a permit is needed just to buy a firearm. The packaging may look nicer at first glance, but when you examine the contents they are just as rotten.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-1-17 2:03:54 PM|| 2004-1-17 2:03:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Condi for VP. I like the idea but she has no real political experience. She's never served in any elected office in her entire life. Certainly she could slip in as VP but its gonna be a strike against her.

On the other hand, that might be what the US needs. Someone serving in the highest office who isn't a life-long politician.

I like Cheney, but his heart problems will be a serious issue in 2008 and I don't think he'll win the Republican Primary because of them. That would mean the Republicans lose the incumbant advantage and that's something they shouldn't give up lightly. I think Cheney should move on before it comes to that.

Posted by ruprecht 2004-1-17 2:17:15 PM|| 2004-1-17 2:17:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I remember reading on a site about the lies in "Bowling for Columbine" that during the sixties a black community in the south who was being harrassed and got weapons from the NRA. It stopped the attacks. But then the authorities disarmed them.

Posted by JFM 2004-1-17 3:10:49 PM|| 2004-1-17 3:10:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 She's never served in any elected office in her entire life.

Okay... has it happened before?
Eisenhower....
Wilson?.....
Grant

Anyone else?

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-17 3:22:58 PM|| 2004-1-17 3:22:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Wilson was governor of New Jersey from 1910-12. Grant was a disaster by all accounts.
Eisenhower had experience as a diplomat and administrator in his role as the Commander of the Eastern Theater and NATO head.

Posted by E. Brown 2004-1-17 4:18:39 PM|| [saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2004-1-17 4:18:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 And IIRC Condi held a Dean role at Stanford for a while ... ?? ... someone come up with the facts on that & her role at the Hoover Inst. please. I should do it but have company here.

Posted by rkb 2004-1-17 5:45:06 PM|| 2004-1-17 5:45:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 All good reasons why Condi won't be at the top of the ticket in '08 against HRH HRC. But a Giuliani-Rice ticket...

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-1-17 6:23:27 PM|| 2004-1-17 6:23:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Provost at Stanford - Hoover is a distinct institution

Posted by Frank G 2004-1-17 6:48:13 PM|| 2004-1-17 6:48:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Phil, you ceertainly spoke for me that time.

I like Condi a lot, but she does need some elected office experience. A great opportunity would have been the recall election in California, but Arnie did okay. Next opportunity is against Barbara Boxer (Fienstein is in 06 but she's pretty tough).

Giulani-Rice? Hmmm. HMMMMmmmmmm.

Posted by Steve White 2004-1-17 9:45:10 PM|| 2004-1-17 9:45:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Yes but all you red neck white guys would find an excuse to vote for a third party candidate, eg. Buchanan

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