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2003-08-30 India-Pakistan

God will destroy America, says Hamid Gul

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-08-30 01:54|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "The Washington Times claims that the new governor, Awais Ghani, a former federal minister of labour and religious affairs, has proven to be âa pliant instrument that heeds the advice of ISI and lets the MMA (now derisively known as Musharraf-Mullahs-Army) consolidate its hold on Balochistanâs regional government. Pakistani moderates are shocked by Gen Musharrafâs appeasement of the religious extremists who are now in charge of the province under the guidance of Gen Gul and his former ISI colleagues.â

This is part of what I have been saying for years, that there is essentially no difference between the Mullahs and the military in Pakistan. The top Generals and the top Mullahs have way more in common than their differences. They both oppose any attempt by both Liberals and Conservatives to moderate Pakistan and cut down on the Talibanisation that has been occuring there since before there was a Taliban. They both desire India to go the way of the Soviet Union, and Pakistan becoming the heart of a new Moghul Empire stretching from Central Asia to Bangladesh.
In the months leading up to the election in Pakistan last year, it is a well known fact that the ISI political division did everything possible to weaken the mainstream parties - the PPP and PML, from disqualifying their candidates, to paying off the members to switch sides to a pro-Musharaff party. At the same time, the same people did everything possible to bring about the MMA, the first time in Pakistan's history that the fractured Islamist parties were able to form an electoral alliance. To facilitate this, hundreds of criminal cases against MMA politicians were lost, the pro-Musharaff PML-Q party entered into a coalition government with them in Baluchistan, and due to other manipulations, the MMA got around a third of the seats in parliament, even though they only received 11% of the popular vote.
It is inconceivable that the ISI did all this without the knowledge and permission of Musharaf, so obviously he wanted the MMA to come to power in the provinces bordering Afghanistan. It is also obvious from the activities of the members of the MMA, that despite all their tough rhetoric, Fazl, Sami and the rest are just as corrupt as the rest of Pakistan's politicians, and are willing to deal with Musharaf.
Only Qazi's party is hardline enough to be causing problems with this arangement, and may lead the ISI to create a split in the MMA to alleviate these problems.
Musharaf may well be willing to turn over al-Qaeda Arabs and tone down the level of Jihad going on in Kashmir, but the only real difference that seperates him and Fazl from people like Qazi and Hamid Gul is that the former are pragmatic and will do what they can to stay in power, while continuing the business of Jihad which has worked so well for the army and Mullahs for the past two decades; while the latter are hard core ideologues who are against any sort of collusion with the Infidel west.
The one thing that consumes all of them, is the dispute with India, which is at the source of everything that Pakistan's military does. The reason they supported the Taliban was to give themselves "strategic depth" in a future war with India. The reason why the ISI has been giving covert aid to the regrouped Taliban and Hek is because they feel the Northern Alliance, which dominates the Karzai government, is a puppet of India. The reason they allow Hafiz Saeed and Massod Azhar to openly recruit hundreds of young men and turn them in AK wielding fanatics, before sending them to the deaths in Kashmir year after year after hear, is a low cost Proxy war that serves to bleed the Indian army. The reason that the Madrassas are allowed to continue brainwashing millions of kids, and the training camps are allowed to train Jihadis throughout Pakistan's hinterlands, and the reason why members of the puratanical Deobandi sect have been put in charge of 80% of the countries mosques, despite being only 10 or 15% of the population, is that in war with India, Pakistan will have a huge resovoir of committed Jihadis which will be able to even the odds against the much large Indian population.
Just like Hamid Gul, Musharaf was promoted by General Zia, the former dictator of Pakistan who ordered the Islamisation project in the country which has continued ever since. Musharaf didn't actually bring himself to power in a coup, the former government was actually overthrown by Islamist generals, who then put Musharaf in power because they knew the world would never accept Islamists in charge of a Nuclear state. But although he is a pragmatist, and even secular in his private life, Musharaf has never done anything to end the Mullah-Military alliance, or the Jihad industry in Pakistan in the past 4 years of his reign, and I am confident that he won't do anything to end it in the next 4 years either.

Posted by Paul Moloney 2003-8-30 7:38:41 AM|| 2003-8-30 7:38:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "America will destroy Hamed Gul wherever he tries to go," God was quoted saying on Friday.

Posted by Mike 2003-8-30 7:44:24 AM|| 2003-8-30 7:44:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Allah, as has been the case for the 1424 Islamic Calendar years since he supposedly had a series of talks in Aramaic with Little Mo [7 centuries later mistranslated to Arabic and declared the "literal" and "absolute" Word of God (sic)... Ed] had no comment, yet again, as he could not be located, yet again.

Prolly counting & conserving his raisin allotment.

Posted by .com 2003-8-30 8:32:27 AM|| 2003-8-30 8:32:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 There are days when I wish the Mushy had blown us off and Pak Land was declared part of the problem.

Posted by Hiryu 2003-8-30 8:57:31 AM|| 2003-8-30 8:57:31 AM|| Front Page Top

God will destroy the US in Iraq and Afghanistan and wherever it will try to go from there

Got a time-line on that, Hamid baby? We're waiting. (And you know how impatient we Americans are.)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2003-8-30 9:37:30 AM|| 2003-8-30 9:37:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Almost makes a massive nuke exchange with India sound like a good thing, huh? Except most of the effects won't reach NWFP

Posted by Frank G 2003-8-30 10:14:40 AM|| 2003-8-30 10:14:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Oooooooh! Pakistani general's are mouthing off!
Could we stifle the giggles please?
...and add Hamid to the list. It get's bigger every day.

Posted by tu3031 2003-8-30 10:17:12 AM|| 2003-8-30 10:17:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Hamid's been on my particular list since around 9-11-01.

Posted by Fred 2003-8-30 10:31:50 AM|| 2003-8-30 10:31:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 If Hamid keeps this up, Musharaf is going to put a bullet in his head. Why? Because having a General incite anger in the worlds only superpower, which has spared them destruction for the sole reason that they are cooperating, is a bad idea.

Cruise missles also have a habit of suddenly appearing around Government buildings.

Posted by Charles 2003-8-30 2:09:45 PM|| 2003-8-30 2:09:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 which has spared them destruction for the sole reason that they are cooperating, is a bad idea.

I expect we have a logistical trail set up by now in the Northern 'stans. Perhaps we can do without the Paks.

Posted by Shipman 2003-8-30 8:52:54 PM|| 2003-8-30 8:52:54 PM|| Front Page Top

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