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2003-08-16 Home Front

Border agents will be allowed to make arrests on city streets

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Posted by Frank G 2003-08-16 10:00:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 oops - as you may have guessed: "His ass should be fired - he basically was granting sovereign territorial rights to the Mexicans in any area they decided to get "outraged" about." was my comment and should've been hi-lited LOL

Posted by Frank G 2003-8-16 10:22:48 AM|| 2003-8-16 10:22:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Yeah G*d knows no Mexicans got into California when Pete Wilson was governor! But I think this mass invasion is tolerated for the cheap labor which = business interests which = Republicans. I don't see this administration doing anything about the illegals already here.

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2003-8-16 11:24:43 AM|| 2003-8-16 11:24:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 If it all = Republicans, why does it happen when Democrats are in power, too?

Posted by Uncle Joe 2003-8-16 11:30:30 AM|| 2003-8-16 11:30:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The newspaper headline makes it sound like the border agents have a new power to arrest illegals, when in fact thy've had this power all along, up until 10 days ago.
Kinda misleading.

Posted by Uncle Joe 2003-8-16 11:33:34 AM|| 2003-8-16 11:33:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Democrats allow it for the demographics--and I don't like THAT either

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2003-8-16 11:36:22 AM|| 2003-8-16 11:36:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 NMM, pretty close to correct on both - the business ends want the cheap labor regardless of cost to America's society. The Dems/unions want the organizable labor and easy votes and pander to the balkanization. The biggest problem with the mexican immigration is the inability/refusal to integrate. Speaking spanish at home is cool, requiring it to be spoken at public offices, et al because they won't learn english is not, IMHO. This is the same issue with segregation by muslims. Staying in cloistered little communities without integrating/adopting our societal goals and habits will eventually be the downfall of America or these groups, or both, sad to say. In addition, the level of education in most of the mexican/central american immigrants is miniscule, and they commonly drop out of school at early ages, creating a poor uneducated class with little hope of progress.

Posted by Frank G 2003-8-16 11:48:01 AM|| 2003-8-16 11:48:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Right on, Frank. Another third world, right in our laps.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-8-16 3:56:20 PM|| 2003-8-16 3:56:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 As someone who has spent 4+ of the last 10 years as the foreigner I can state categorically that language is far and away the key component for success or failure - for the visitor / immigrant. Segregation, education, economics, socialization - all of them turn on the success or failure to speak the native language adequately. It is wearing on both parties to try to communicate when each lacks the other's language. Soon you just stop trying because the success rate is so low and the disappointment due to miscommunication is so high. Even exceedingly gracious hosts, such as the Thais, tire of it.

Obviously, it is the visitor who should learn the host country's language. Expecting millions of natives to accommodate teh relatively few visitors / immigrants is backasswards and asinine. It's expensive for the natives in the short-term - and incredibly costly to the non-native in the long-term. Hey, baby, I GET it: Pohm poot pasah-Thai nit noy - rian sha-sha. Mai mee pahn hah.

Failure to integrate in large numbers is eventually fatal to the host. Still considering language as key, these closed communities are precisely like tumors. In affluent countries, such as the US, they send money out - back "home" - and invest little or nothing. They are parasitic - and non-contributing - not buying homes, paying real estate taxes, school taxes, hospital district taxes - the panoply of services they DO consume. Work the numbers... if a million CA Mexican immigrant families are wiring an avg of $100 a month back to Mexico... You've lost that important 4-5x rollover for every $ too... But let's not just pick on Mexico - there are probably 40-50 other groups in significant numbers who also send greenbacks home. This is a significant loss - and only the easiest economic fallout example from the failure to integrate - and it turns on language.

Other aspects have their consequences, too. The failure to integrate socially, again turning on language now combined with the economics, leads to: slums, barrios, gangs, chronic unemployment, chronic under-employment, chronic victimization, and chronic victimizing (crime, protection rackets, etc) are examples.

It all starts with language. If you can have a conversation with someone, they become real - not just another foreign face. They become peers, not just another underling or hired help. They become friends, not just another threat to your job, your school / healthcare / judicial / penal / political systems, your family / children - everything you work hard for - and a burden through higher taxes.

Those who refuse to integrate should not be welcome. Competency tests should be required for anything longer than a visitor's visa. And INS needs to actually DO what it was chartered to do, which we pay for, in spite of their non-performance.

The rainbow and diversity BS is a total load of shit. Lines between people are friction points and leverage points for asshats like Louis Farrakhan and David Duke and Jesse Jackson. Anything about a person which was not within his control is irrelevant (race, gender, country of origin, handicaps, etc). We should, however, hold everyone, native and immigrant alike, responsible for everything that is within his control - and competency in language, the pivot for success or failure in a society, is within each person's control.

Lessee is that 2 cents worth? No? You want change? Ha! Phuck off! ;->

Posted by .com 2003-8-16 5:15:44 PM|| 2003-8-16 5:15:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 But I think this mass invasion is tolerated for the cheap labor which = business interests which = Republicans.

But I think this mass invasion is tolerated for the illegal votes which = liberal majorities which = Democrats.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-8-16 11:46:15 PM|| 2003-8-16 11:46:15 PM|| Front Page Top

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