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2003-08-08 Home Front

Govât: Hijacker Crashed Flight 93 on 9/11

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Posted by Steve White 2003-08-08 12:34:28 AM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Those forty people names will be remembered with honour. They were not selected volunteers just ordinary people who in an incredible moment fought an anonymous battle, with cutlery for weapons, trying to take back the plane. By their actions they saved many lives.

Posted by Bernardz 2003-8-8 6:44:34 AM|| 2003-8-8 6:44:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 And remember that the seats that act as flotation devices make a dandy shield. The straps fit over one arm, leaving the other one free to jab a Bic pen, say, or use a can of hairspray. They'll never crash a plane I'm on until I'm good and dea.

Posted by Chuck 2003-8-8 8:32:12 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org] 2003-8-8 8:32:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 I'm sticking to the families's version of the tape until I can hear it for myself: "Expert witnesses" can talk obvious bullshit and get away with it. In one instance, an "expert witness" showed a video of a person in a "persistent vegetative state" VISIBLY reacting to questions and pinpricks, while stating blithely under oath that there was "no reaction"!

Even if the hijackers crashed the plane themselves, they did so because they realized that the damn Kaffirs were revolting and stood an excellent chance of retaking the plane: No virgins for them if that happened. The security measures in place AT THAT TIME were enough to more than equalize the fight.

Posted by Ptah 2003-8-8 9:05:31 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2003-8-8 9:05:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Chuck--good observation. As I keep hearing about al Qaida's work to develop everyday items to become weapons or conceal weapons and the TSA's bend on ensuring passengers are totally defenseless, I'd like to hear more about how passengers can improvise weapons onboard to help prevent hijackers from succeeding.

The TSA needs to realize that over 99.9999% of air passengers are not merely potential victims but also a resource to help fight terrorism. Why not enlist help from them as well? Offer potential guidelines on what to do in case of a hostage/hijack situation!

I think we've learned since 9/11, being a passive victim is no longer an option.

Posted by Dar 2003-8-8 9:12:33 AM|| [http://users.stargate.net/~dsteckel/] 2003-8-8 9:12:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't think they got their virgins. They didn't fulfill their mission.

what to do in case of a hostage/hijack

No one can prepare for that. People will react differently no matter how well you train them. Better solution: Arm the pilots. Bulletproof cockpit doors. Use double doors to create a "man-trap". Strip search passengers. Open luggage. Interrogate. Profiling. Show up 6 hours in advance. Hell why not.

Posted by Raphael 2003-8-8 9:21:58 AM|| 2003-8-8 9:21:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Sharpen the edge of a credit card and you have a dandy improvised knife blade.A car key will due serious damage when jammed in an eye or raked down the side of a persons face.Sharpen the handle of a tooth brush and you have a short stileto.

Posted by raptor 2003-8-8 9:29:19 AM|| 2003-8-8 9:29:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Sharpen the handle of a tooth brush and you have a short stileto.

To sharpen it I need a knife. But if I had a knife, I wouldn't need a sharpened toothbrush :-)

Posted by Steve White 2003-8-8 2:15:22 PM|| 2003-8-8 2:15:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I keep the elements of a garrote in my briefcase. I could put it together in less than a minute. Very effective if you can sneak up behind someone. He's dead or unconscious in seconds without a sound. And don't forget fire extinguishers. Use them first to blind and then immediately switch over to a bludgeoning attack.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-8-8 3:25:25 PM|| 2003-8-8 3:25:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 11A5S - bingo - I've figured the fire extinguishers were the best "weapons" available, too. I fly biz class and always request an exit row seat, so I'll have access to one on the bulkhead right in front of me. Chuck's mentioning the fact that you can use the seat cushion as a shield is now on my mental checklist, as well. Thx!

Posted by Â·com 2003-8-8 4:08:57 PM|| 2003-8-8 4:08:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 LOL, you guys are nuts :)

Posted by Raphael 2003-8-8 4:59:03 PM|| 2003-8-8 4:59:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 If we as a nation want to stop the possibility or at least put a serious dent in airplane terrorism the answer is quite simple. Everybody on the plane travels nude, starkers, raw in the buff. This alone will keep the Islamofasicsts off of any and all US carriers

Posted by Someone who did NOT vote for William Proxmire 2003-8-8 5:06:43 PM|| 2003-8-8 5:06:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Raphael--Actually, this is good stuff, and I'd like to hear more. It's a different world since 9/11. All of us who fly are potential victims, but it doesn't mean we have to accept it passively.

Posted by Dar 2003-8-8 5:13:51 PM|| [http://users.stargate.net/~dsteckel/] 2003-8-8 5:13:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Ok, then how about this: learn a martial art, and your body becomes a weapon. Don't have to learn everything, just the moves that will prove useful. Or carry a hardened briefcase. That way you can sit anywhere and have a heavy blunt weapon. Problem is, if people keep doing this, security will keep banning things from carry-on luggage.

Posted by Raphael 2003-8-8 5:23:12 PM|| 2003-8-8 5:23:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Raphael--yeah, that's another option. The more, the better.

Posted by Dar 2003-8-8 5:31:57 PM|| [http://users.stargate.net/~dsteckel/] 2003-8-8 5:31:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Bush was in FL reading to the little kids, it was the Congress -- I believe AQ is competent enough to read Ari Fleischer's briefings.

Posted by Brian 2003-8-8 5:39:31 PM|| 2003-8-8 5:39:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 "There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous people. To the right person, everything is a weapon."

Still can't remember who said it, but it's true. Pens, fingernail files, whatever. If it comes to either winning a fight or dying, sacrifice your watch - the crystal will make a dandy knife, if you break it right. Shoestrings can be used to make an improvised garotte. A woman's wooden sandal or 3-inch high heel is also a deadly device, used with the proper force at the right location. The real secret of being deadly is learning how to think deadly. If all else fails, stick your fingers in their eye sockets. That's a really, REALLY tender spot! And don't pull them back out - keep going farther and farther. Then close your fist and pull - face will come apart like a wet dishrag. Messy, but effective!

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-8-8 7:13:23 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2003-8-8 7:13:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 OP--That's the spirit! :-)

Posted by Dar 2003-8-8 7:35:26 PM|| [http://users.stargate.net/~dsteckel/] 2003-8-8 7:35:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 And to think the Bush Administration was cutting the budget so Air Marshalls wouldn't have to spend the night outta town--as in Boston-LA Newark-San Fran--anyone getting a clue? But we got plenty of money for a tax cut for the wealthiest 1%---oops forgot--they fly private jets

Posted by Not Mike Moore 2003-8-8 11:20:45 PM|| 2003-8-8 11:20:45 PM|| Front Page Top

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