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#1 Going after video games is stupid. It's just book burning in a different medium. Also one of the few things that people like even more than guns.
NRA is looking for a scapegoat, which is exactly what Champ and the media are doing.
Posted by Iblis 2012-12-22 00:31||
#2 A bit of doggerel about Gods of the Marketplace:
--When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: Â"Stick to the Devil you know.Â"
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-12-22 00:49||
#3 NRA blames media, music and more for culture of violence
Posted by Redneck Jim 2012-12-22 02:23||
#4 I fully support the Second Amendment and the consequences this has but this wasn't the brightest statement the NRA has ever made.
Posted by European Conservative 2012-12-22 03:08||
#5 I believe at least a portion of the answer may lie in an a close and thoughtful examination of places and cultures across the globe, which do NOT have a culture of violence. We can't all pack up and move to Orania, but might learn something from those communities.
One aspect that I feel should be examined is our propensity to be in constant armed conflict with someone, nearly since the end of WWII. This business of "drone zapping" is another. The consolidation of school districts which took place in the 1950's is yet another.
While I respect and admire Redneck Jim greatly, we do part company on his comments regarding wat now passes for media, music, and the like.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-22 06:19||
#6 There was a time when people didn't lock their doors. We talk about "simpler times"...and we had different values. We can't go back to "Lassie" and "Leave it to Beaver" or "Dr. Welby", can we?
We can't go back to President Johnson speaking to us tonite "with a heavy heart"....as he described the latest bombing of the North and the "setbacks" of Tet.
And Haight Ashbury and spitting on the vets when they came through trying to go home. And "Communes" and healthy free sex and "love" and tie dye and lavender glasses?
And who goes to Church anymore? Why bother ? Let's go down to the Mall and hang out and text each other on our cool cell phones.
Tell me how to breakdown and clean a Glock 23. How many safeties does it have? What is the mag capacity ? What is the grain load of the 9mm round it carries? How much does a Glock sell for nowadays. Price of a box of ammo?
Name the manufacturer of the shoulder holster you are wearing. Is it nylon or leather? Show me your concealed carry permit, please? And don't f--k with me. I am polite and I expect you to be polite as well.
Posted by Threater Flusoper9823 2012-12-22 07:46||
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-22 07:51||
#8 Oh. Wait. Our parents fought the Second World War. What've we done different since they were around?
Discipline was different before the Age of Lawyers, Professional Educators, and Family Life Bureaucrats. It was that oppressive time of the patriarchs in which fathers were authoritarians and fundamental to family units [see - Wait till your father gets home]. Today our brilliant ruling class deems such creatures irrelevant.
BTW parents - there's a rating system on those video games (see at 2:02)*, use it. Do we really need to handle the stuff like alcohol and put teeth into the process like providing the crap to underage minors because you want to be their friends rather than their parents? This about others wanting everyone else to be their kids parents.
Posted by P2Kontheroad 2012-12-22 08:43||
#9 The culture of violence in the media, including video games, is desensitizing our young people. If we are not going to change gun regulations (and we shouldn't), what's your answer to the people who want to "fix" this?
Posted by KBK 2012-12-22 08:57||
#10 ..you know if you 'fix' them like the cat and dog, then they won't have kids who they use as justification to take rights away from other adults.
Posted by P2Kontheroad 2012-12-22 09:19||
#11 You can have my XBox when you pry it from my cold, dead thumbs.
Posted by Mercutio 2012-12-22 10:44||
#12 These mass murder/suicides were well planned. Ones meditations, regardless of the environment they are in, is everything. Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with evil or stand in the way that sinners take ...
2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night... whatever they do prospers.
(A little verse of great wisdom from a Book cherished by fewer and fewer Americans. Can I get an Amen!?)
Posted by Dino Shomomp7692 2012-12-22 10:57||
Posted by BrerRabbit 2012-12-22 11:24||
#14 No more players of video games or lovers of violent films act out in real life than owners of guns. Sane people distinguish between fantasy and acceptable real life behaviour. It must be remembered how many mass killers turn out to be schizophrenic... and take a closer look at the insanity statistics of those who stop after killing only their own parents.
The below was posted on Facebook by a friend of mine with with son recently diagnosed as schizophrenic. She calls herself, with no humour at all, The Keeper of the Knives. She is also the keeper of the matches, as he has a fondness of burning paper, and no understanding why this upsets the family.
We need to bring back locked mental institutions, and the ability to involuntarily commit those who need it.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-12-22 11:39||
#15 As an aside, I loathe violent films and video games and songs -- even imaginary violence gives me nightmares. But Mr. Wife and the trailing daughters love them, which has never caused me to be concerned that they might either murder me in my bed or, after acquiring weaponry beyond the staffs and nunchucks they use in their martial arts training, run amok shooting up the populace.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-12-22 11:49||
#16 That's because they are afeared of you TW.
Posted by Shipman 2012-12-22 11:57||
#17 It has been noted before that most mass murders and most people carrying out firearm violence are males from homes with an absent or abusive Father.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2012-12-22 12:26||
#18 Personally I blame Bread. All mass murderers have, at one time or another eaten bread. BAN BREAD!
Seriously though I think violent video games (and I've played more than my fair share of them) are ok and most (repeat most) people can discern reality from fantasy. It's the few who can't make the distinction that are the problem.
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-12-22 13:02||
#19 Re: #16: Shipman, if this were Facebook, I would definitely like that comment. :-)
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2012-12-22 13:39||
#20 #14 TW: We need to bring back locked mental institutions, and the ability to involuntarily commit those who need it.
There was a movement in mental health before and around the 1970s that advocated shutting these institutions, moving away from a "medical model" in mental health, and shutting these large institutions. Dr. Thomas Szasz was one of the people who believed that psychiatry was so much quackery and that this model needed to be examined closely as to its effectiveness. There was the belief then as today that psychiatry tended to stigmatize people with problems. Some of these problems were situational and resolved themselves. Others were long-term and chronic and were not likely to improve. The naive belief was that communities would absorb and take care of these individuals and that that would be more caring and humanitarian. That didn't happen as envisioned. Many of the people turned out of institutions became homeless, ended up in jails for lack of any other place to send them, or at home to be taken care of as best could be. At about the same time the concept of "mainstreaming" in the public schools became extant with the notion that everyone should be in public school despite problems. Society has come to experience some of the problems that have fallen out as the result of the movements--not that they were all that bad. There was some good to them. Many of the large mental institutions had become warehouses for the mentally ill. For some, institutionalization was appropriate as it is today. IMO that the movement towards "community-based mental health" was not so much humanitarian as it was that large institutions were becoming extremely costly to run and maintain.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-22 14:09||
#21 "the movement towards "community-based mental health" was not so much humanitarian as it was that large institutions were becoming extremely costly to run and maintain"
We have a winnah! :-(
Posted by Barbara 2012-12-22 14:14||
#22 I read about a prescription connection with all of these kids. That is the first thing that should be investigated.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-12-22 15:14||
#23 We need to bring back locked mental institutions, and the ability to involuntarily commit those who need it. Posted by: trailing wife
Will you come visit me TW ?
Posted by Besoeker 2012-12-22 15:33||
#24 he's attempting to focus back on the media. I was sickened by the killings, but we could do nothing afterwards. Instead, the media, Fox(!) among them, rolled around in it like a dog on the lawn in shit. Disgusting their sanctimony as they made that little puke famous, just like in Co., just like in SC, just like in.... giving them EXACTLY what they want - a moment of fame and power. Instead, they should expose the pathetic weak existence of these "anti-heroes". Lanza sounds like a real mental case, but we will never be able to understand his thoughts. As a rational human with decent instincts, you can't get what he was thinking. All the better for you
Posted by Frank G 2012-12-22 16:06||
#25 I read about a prescription connection with all of these kids. That is the first thing that should be investigated.
I'd talk about the drug connection to this shit until I was blue in the face for a long while here, and was not believed. That was before the latest round, where Loughner (who repeatedly abused Salvia) and the guy in Colorado (who was a biochem grad student, and very likely probably had the ability to fabricate those drugs for himself). I have been avoiding the news of the latest mess, because they're not going to look into the real cause, and if they find it accidentally they're not going to report it.
Because the piece of fermented pig-dog hybrid shit in the media _want_ these catastrophes to happen, it helps give their masters in the new american mandarinate more power.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-12-22 16:17||
#26 Frank, right. That article from Larry Correia yesterday was the best I'd ever seen encompassing the whole subj. I agree -- don't give these psycho losers any limelight. The MSM is a charade backed by the vulture class.
Posted by Broadhead6 2012-12-22 16:19||
#27 BH6 - I'm reading Larry's Monster Hunter books - they're a hoot. Halfway thru the second, and he's a smart dude who respects guns as tools only
Posted by Frank G 2012-12-22 17:11||
#28 Ditto on Larry Correia. The left has an agenda of disarming America no matter that it hasn't worked in other places and is a prescription for violence here. Disarming citizens is the road to tyranny by a corrupted government. The 2nd Amendment was put in the Constitution for a reason and it was not duck hunting.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-12-22 17:16||
#29 As long as we're going after the First Amendment instead of the Second Amendment I blame Diane Sawyer and her ilk for giving so much publicity to the whackos who commit these atrocities. That way whenever somebody feels ignored and/or abused they know they can get all the attention their little hearts desire by shooting up a school or a theater or a shopping mall. STFU, Diane.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2012-12-22 17:47||
#30 I don't think that following in the footsteps of Tipper Gore and the PMRC is going to be very helpful against psychotics with easy access to unsecured firearms.
IMHO, the media does spin these things up in order to push a deeply fascistic agenda, and the are not called on it.
Posted by Free Radical 2012-12-22 20:06||
#31 FYI CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > [SalafiTalk]SLAVERY IS LIBERATION AND PURIFICATION ... ACCORDING TO THE SALAFISTS.
The Demoleft + aligned special interests covertly don't want to strengthen or seal the Borders, or stop illegal guns from ending up in the hands of dedicated Criminals, etc, because it justifies ever-Bigger Govt, Deficit Spending, + Welfare-Nanny State.
IT WILL BE THE SAME AS PER NAU IN 2015, TRANS-REGIONAL, OR HIGHER OWG = GG/GGU, ONLY BIGGER-N-WORSER.
OWG NAU + NAFTA, ETC. = THERE ARE NO CLOSED BORDERS OR SUCH A THING AS "ILLEGAL" IMMIGRATION" ANYMORE, ONLY "UN-PROCESSED WORKERS".
Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-12-22 21:20||
#32 Under NORAM FTA, Radical Islam is to be just one of the many -ISMS the now-Globalist USA will have to tolerate under NAU-N-HIGHER.
* 1990's CLINTONISM > THE US-N-ONLY-THE-US IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO "ABSORB" A MAJOR TERROR ATTACK, + NOT RESPOND WID OVERWHELMING MILITARY FORCE.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-12-22 21:25||
#33 Joe I think Israel also is expected to absorb a major terror attack (or three) and not respond.
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-12-22 21:43||