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2006-12-08 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
15 years after Soviet collapse, Russians nostalgic for superpower
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Posted by .com 2006-12-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I wonder if Russian attitudes don't match our own apprehension that the world is out of control? I would prefer Pax Americana to the status quo.
Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2006-12-08 09:43||   2006-12-08 09:43|| Front Page Top

#2 Don't feel bad, Russkis. We've got lots o' folks here that wish you were still a superstate, too.
Posted by Pappy 2006-12-08 09:50||   2006-12-08 09:50|| Front Page Top

#3 --- All these nostalgics are 15 years older than they were when the USSR collapsed, the passing of time tends to make memories rosier for some.
--- Not everybody dislikes servitude and oppression if they somehow benefit from it.
--- Leftists in the West definitely regret the shrinkage of communism and think any criticism of it undermines their own life history.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-08 11:52||   2006-12-08 11:52|| Front Page Top

#4 No quotes from Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, et al? Do they miss the red army?

Did the survey ask whether they missed the KGB or the gulags?

Article seems a little incomplete.
Posted by DoDo 2006-12-08 11:59||   2006-12-08 11:59|| Front Page Top

#5 ---- Those ex-soviets who died as a result of the collapse of the USSR are not around to regret it.
--- This wild article states the USSR was better prepared for its inevitable collapse than the USA is now. Some of it is tongue-in-cheek, some of it is earnest.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-08 12:42||   2006-12-08 12:42|| Front Page Top

#6 Perhaps the Russians should look over at the Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and study how they've managed their own economies.

Perhaps the Russians should tackle the Russian mob and create a Free City in Vladivstock along the lines of Hong Kong and open up real trade in the Pacific.

Perhaps the Russians should sell the Japanese the islands they've held since WW2.

Perhaps the Russians should reevaluate their alliances with thugs and act like a global power. Adding Russian troops to peacekeeping missions.

Perhaps the Russians should find a way to build a new transsiberian railroad-bullet train to connect the Far East with the European section of Russia.

Perhaps Russia should write off the Commonwealth of Indepedent states and promote ethnic Russians to move back to the motherland and promote non-Russians to move back to their own areas.

Perhaps Russia should stop whining about everythign Europe does and become the spine Europe needs in exchange for the technology and investment Russia needs.

Perhaps Russia should promote emigration into Siberia from non-ethnic Chinese before they lose the whole Eastern section of their nation.

Just a few ideas that won't happen but that could go a long way towards returning Russia to becoming a Great Power again.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-12-08 12:50||   2006-12-08 12:50|| Front Page Top

#7 You're assuming that "ex-KGB" and "Russian mob" are two separate and distinct things. They ain't.
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-12-08 13:28||   2006-12-08 13:28|| Front Page Top

#8 ..I always said there'd come a day when we would miss having the Soviets around.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-12-08 14:03||   2006-12-08 14:03|| Front Page Top

#9 The Russians have the resources to be a superpower. They just don't have the will or the freedom. If the Russians had a US-style constitution, political and cultural guarantees of freedom and private property, and an incentive to work, save, invest, and profit, there would be a huge boom in Russia. First, though, they'd have to be willing to kill off every former member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, every former member of the KGB, and most of the GRU. Unless that happens, Russia will continue to falter. Any attempt to re-form the Soviet Union will fail, possibly bloodily. Putin doesn't have the intelligence to govern, much less rule, and he's eliminated anyone who does.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-12-08 15:49|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-12-08 15:49|| Front Page Top

#10 Demographic trends (especially in comparison with Muslim and Chinese ethnicities nearby) indicate the Russians will be a small minority in what used to be their country within 75 years or so. They are dying off in droves.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-08 20:15||   2006-12-08 20:15|| Front Page Top

#11 Lest we forget: one man's story of life in the USSR passed on to his family:
My great grandfather Mark came from a poor Jewish family that lived in a Jewish mestechko near Kiev. In February 1917 a capitalist democratic revolution in Russia seemed to have opened the future for him. Up until that point Jews couldn't serve as officers in the Russian army, which was but one of thousand ways to discriminate against Jews under the Tsar. Mark joined Cadets. In October 1917 he was among a regiment of young trainee officers and a female batalion that guarded the Winter Palace (the seat of the democratically elected government in St Petersburg) when it was attacked by the Bolshevik mob comprising sailors, soldiers and lumpen proletariat.

Following the success of the Bolshevik attack, Mark and the other guards were taken for interrogation. While he was waiting, he was allowed to go to the washroom. He escaped through the window prior to giving his details. I understand that nobody else among his comrades has survived "the interrogation" as it was conducted by applying a gunshot to the temple.

In 1921 he married Bina. They survived the civil war, the terror of the proletariat, relaxation which was called "new economic policy" and seemed to be doing O'K.

In 1928 Mark was arrested along with thousands of other engineers. Apparently, he was planning to dig a tunnel to London. Others were persecuted under similarly ridiculous charges for "intentionally causing starvation in the USSR". As Mark was to find out, the 1928 purge was exceptionally mild by Soviet standards. He was let out within a few months of arrest without a courtcase and wasn't even beaten or tortured in prison.

By 1937 Mark was doing quite well. He managed a plant in Nizhni Novgorod. He even had a car with a personal driver. His children were well educated and looked after. A special Jewish doctor would prescribe his kids a special Jewish diet every week so that the kids would grow fat faster.

His plant was doing quite well, but it was the wrong thing to do at the wrong time. Someone got envious and the whole management of the plant was arrested. Cause given was that one of the workshops was built of wood and that was considered "an act of the enemies of the people". Ten years ago that wooden workshop was still in place in Nizhny Novgorod. Mark knew exactly who snitched on him and his colleagues. That man lived happily to an old age.

This time Mark was tortured and spent 2 years in prison. He did say that not all NKVD investigators were equally cruel. One of them would ask Mark to scream during questioning and pretended that he was beating him.

Mark survived, but he has never been the same again. One thing that he was happy about was his companions in prison. The best Soviet scientists, engineers, doctors were there with him. There were several boys, who apparently received exceptionally good education which was provided by other convicts.

A bunch of convicts were released in 1939 when Stalin decided to slow down the repressions and change the head of NKVD. Mark was one of these lucky people. For the rest of his life he had a "prison" suitcase prepared. Every time he heard steps on the staircase, he would jump up and grab that suitcase.

Mark died just before I was born [1970]. He died relatively old, considering when and where he lived, very much loved and valued by his family.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-08 21:35||   2006-12-08 21:35|| Front Page Top

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