Archived material Access restricted Article
Rantburg

Today's Front Page   View All of Tue 04/25/2006 View Mon 04/24/2006 View Sun 04/23/2006 View Sat 04/22/2006 View Fri 04/21/2006 View Thu 04/20/2006 View Wed 04/19/2006
1
2006-04-25 Africa Horn
Bin Laden's real message on Darfur
Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by Dan Darling 2006-04-25 01:16|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 IOW, the focii of Osama's efforts and zealotry is. among other things, more aimed at his fellow Muslims than against the alleged hated Crusader-Zionist enemy, specifically those Muslims whom refuse to accept Sharia-based Absolutism/
Totalitarianism. There is to be no moderation, no tolerance of non-Islamism or as against the literalist interpretation of the Sharia.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-04-25 01:46||   2006-04-25 01:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Thanks Joe...doesn't get much clearer than that.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-04-25 02:27||   2006-04-25 02:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Ultimately, bin Laden's wholehearted embrace of the Sudanese view of Darfur should not deter international intervention in the region.

However, it will.

Sorry, Dan but you got a bad case of wishful thinking there, but otherwise an interesting piece.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-04-25 02:36|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-04-25 02:36|| Front Page Top

#4  Well, I did say "should," phil.

There is, as CS Lewis noted, wishful thinking even in hell.
Posted by Dan Darling">Dan Darling  2006-04-25 03:44|| http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]">[http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]  2006-04-25 03:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Should is one of those ambiguous words. My dictionary has 7 distinct meanings, including,

Indicating obligation
Indicating what is probable
Indicating the (actual) consequence of an event
Expressing a conjecture or hope
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-04-25 04:27|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-04-25 04:27|| Front Page Top

#6  That should be "there is wishful thinking even in Hell."

I need to go to bed ...
Posted by Dan Darling">Dan Darling  2006-04-25 04:35|| http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]">[http://www.regnumcrucis.blogspot.com]  2006-04-25 04:35|| Front Page Top

#7 i thinkr you should thinkr twice before nitting the pic.
Posted by RD 2006-04-25 06:11||   2006-04-25 06:11|| Front Page Top

#8 Osama has a different view of the UN than most Rantburgans.

Osama's view is based on the relatively successful UN effort in E Timor (where a mostly non Moslem population gained independance from an oppressive Moslem govt.) and the completely ineffective UN effort in the Balkans in which many Moslems were killed.

Osama believes that the ineffectiveness in the Balkans was intentional (most Rantburgans assume that the UN is structurally incompetant and are not surprized by ineffectiveness) and thus the UN is not just an enemy but a potentially difficult enemy at that.
Posted by mhw 2006-04-25 08:05||   2006-04-25 08:05|| Front Page Top

#9  Those who argue that bin Laden's complaints represent an honest assessment of international politics (as he sees it) will be hard-pressed to hold to this position. At some point, even the most adamant defenders of the view that bin Laden is a rational actor will have to acknowledge that someone with a sophisticated understanding of international politics would not believe that America deliberately allowed Serbia to carry out its massacres in the Balkans, while it was creating the Sudan People's Liberation Army and killing 13,000 Somalis. These are not the views of a rational actor.

Except that Zawahari's target audience isn't the secular West but al Qaeda's faithful and fellow travellers. And in that world, every word spoken by that organization's leadership is accepted as dogma. In their minds, we are the irrational ones, and our unbelief makes us the enemy of Allah.

The West places such a premium on reason - the reason of Man. Traditional faith (especially in Europe), has been under constant assault because a belief in God is considered unreasonable by the mainstream secularists that control the media and political systems. Those organs cannot honestly express the dangers of Islam facing them because they cannot admit that their intellects and world-views can be challenged (much less annihilated) by Islam's religious fanatics.
Posted by mrp 2006-04-25 09:03||   2006-04-25 09:03|| Front Page Top

#10 mrp : yes, very well remarked; from the little I understand, the western "elites" worldview is shaped by Auguste Comte's thinking, and they have difficulties to assume the acts of leaders from other cultures may not conform to this.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-04-25 09:14||   2006-04-25 09:14|| Front Page Top

#11 The only thing bin loosin' and most muslims understand is force. If you're stronger than they are, they're subservient. If they percieve a weakness, they treat you with contempt. I suggest once again that what we need to do is to take every aircraft in the US inventory, and any we can salvage from Davis-Monthan, load them up with iron bombs, and keep pounding Khartoum until there's nothing left but a lake on the Nile. I think that would send a clear picture of what America CAN do if you piss us off enough. It's a message that will become absolutely critical to the overall success of the war against intellectually challenged islam.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-04-25 14:56|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-04-25 14:56|| Front Page Top

#12 Amen Patriot.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-04-25 15:05||   2006-04-25 15:05|| Front Page Top

#13 On Sunday im going to be protesting genocide. Not advocating it.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-25 17:27||   2006-04-25 17:27|| Front Page Top

#14 I hope things go well for ya 'Hawk. I don't mind seeing moozlims get killed, but I would like to see China lose a good customer. If they need killing after the genocide stops, there's always the Marines.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-04-25 17:36||   2006-04-25 17:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Let us know how the rally went, liberalhawk. With pictures, if you can.

Thanks!
Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-25 18:41||   2006-04-25 18:41|| Front Page Top

#16 Get pictures LH! And carry sweet reason and lots of tuna sandmiches.
Posted by 6 2006-04-25 18:52||   2006-04-25 18:52|| Front Page Top

#17 Osama's view is based on the relatively successful UN effort in E Timor (where a mostly non Moslem population gained independance from an oppressive Moslem govt.) and the completely ineffective UN effort in the Balkans in which many Moslems were killed.

Keep in mind that E. Timor was successful only because the Aussies were in charge.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2006-04-25 18:55|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-04-25 18:55|| Front Page Top

23:52 Anonymoose
23:46 Frank G
23:43 rafael
23:22 3dc
23:09 Frank G
23:00 Captain America
22:58 Captain America
22:56 Captain America
22:48 Fun Dung Poo
22:40 Fun Dung Poo
22:39 Captain America
22:35 borgboy
22:33 Fun Dung Poo
22:30 Desert Blondie
22:22 asymmetrical triangulation
22:22 DMFD
22:18 3dc
22:13 Frank G
22:10 Frank G
22:03 Glavick Angease1706
21:59 Frank G
21:54 Frank G
21:52 Frank G
21:50 Frank G









Paypal:
Google
Search WWW Search rantburg.com