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2006-04-25 Home Front: Culture Wars

Suit Claims Defense Dept. Data Use Illegal

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Posted by Steve White 2006-04-25 00:22|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 ...Okay, reality check: The 'database' is no more and no less than the student rosters for each school. The overwhelming majority of schools in each state kick 'em out every summer for the recruiters. A lot of school systems wouldn't give them to us except for one dirty little secret:

They sell the lists to advertisers. Guessing you won't see that mentioned much though.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-04-25 06:39|| 2006-04-25 06:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Schools do more than sell lists to advertisers. My wife was Puerto Rican so my daughters are considered Hispanic by the school systems here. In her Senior year my youngest started getting solicitations in the mail from Hispanic magazines and Hispanic organizations wanting her to join. The only way they could have got her information was from the school system. I confronted them and they did admit they sell lists to a lot of organizations. I blew up. They sell the names, addresses, and racial make-up of their students. In my view a very sordid practice. She never got phone calls from military recruiters but did get mail, which I don't mind. I would not like a phone call. I don't know any recruiters who make phone calls unless the potential enlistee has previously contacted a recruiter. I don't think that is a common practice. Does somebody know for certain?

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-25 07:49|| 2006-04-25 07:49|| Front Page Top

#3 A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living.
--John F. Kennedy--

Posted by Besoeker 2006-04-25 07:52|| 2006-04-25 07:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Deacon,
USAF recruiting procedure is that you cold call EVERY name on every list, and woe unto the poor SOB who doesn't. I worked what was at the time the largest single recruiting zone in the largest flight in the largest recruiting squadron in the USAF, and I was expected to make roughly 200-300 calls per day. Things have probably changed considerably with the advent of the net and some major changes in the way the USAF advertises (at the time, they REFUSED to buy TV or radio time - policy was that the stations should do their patriotic duty and PSA it. This resulted in recruiting commercials at 0330 local.)and there may be less emphasis on calls, but it will still be one of the pillars.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-04-25 08:01|| 2006-04-25 08:01|| Front Page Top

#5 Thanks, Mike.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-25 08:17|| 2006-04-25 08:17|| Front Page Top

#6 NYCLU = New York Commie Lawyers for the Ummah

Posted by DanNY 2006-04-25 08:41|| 2006-04-25 08:41|| Front Page Top

#7 was expected to make roughly 200-300 calls per day
Jeebus, how long does that tour last?

Posted by 6 2006-04-25 08:59|| 2006-04-25 08:59|| Front Page Top

#8 Until your fingers wear off.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-04-25 10:01|| 2006-04-25 10:01|| Front Page Top

#9 When I was a junior, the mail spam started rolling in. The only way they could have gotten my info was from the school. Just throw the crap away, don't sue. Morons. This is nothing more than an anti-military bash by loons.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-04-25 10:20|| 2006-04-25 10:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Steve,

My tour ran from Sept.9, 1989 to Sept 17, 1993, and every bit of it was a nightmare. Seventy hour weeks were the rule, and the leadership was a disgrace to the USAF. Recruiting duty is so miserable that a few years ago when some NCOs with 10-12 years in were ordered to recruiting posts (it is normally a voluntary slot in the AF), they left the service rather than do the time.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-04-25 12:49|| 2006-04-25 12:49|| Front Page Top

#11 Wow, I figured it was a 2 year deal. That's crazy.

Posted by 6 2006-04-25 19:09|| 2006-04-25 19:09|| Front Page Top

#12 trailing daughter #1 did pretty well on her PSATs last autumn. University seduction letters (including several of the military programs) and invitations to various expensive youth leadership conferences started arriving in the mail box about two weeks later, long before we or the high school were informed of her scores. Which implies that informing the seducers is a higher priority for the SAT/ACT people than is informing the test takers. *shrug* It's all part of the game.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-25 19:40|| 2006-04-25 19:40|| Front Page Top

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