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2006-04-08 Europe

Frenchman faces 25 years for burning girl alive

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Posted by Seafarious 2006-04-08 01:18|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Not good enough for him. He deserves at least as much as she was put through. What the heck is wrong with the legal system when they allow premeditated torture and murder being punished with only time in prison?

Posted by BrerRabbit 2006-04-08 07:41|| 2006-04-08 07:41|| Front Page Top

#2 25 years? And the EUros wonder why we think their "justice" is a joke?

Posted by xbalanke 2006-04-08 12:02|| 2006-04-08 12:02|| Front Page Top

#3 25 years? And the EUros wonder why we think their "justice" is a joke?

Twenty five years that is what the prosecutor is demanding. It will be probably lowered by the jurty (1). Then there will be the reductions for good behaviour. In 10 years max he will be out again. And it is fortunate he being judged in France: in Spain he would also get further reductions for playing football, feigniong to study or washing the jail floors (real eaxmples) so he would be out in five years max.

(1)

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-04-08 12:25|| 2006-04-08 12:25|| Front Page Top

#4 Posted before completion.

(1) In France the juries are composed of 9 citizens and 3 judges ie the judges vote and are in the same room where the ciizens deliberate thus being able to influence/pressure the 9 citizen voters. They only need to rally four on the 9 to get a majority (since the judges vote).

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-04-08 12:33|| 2006-04-08 12:33|| Front Page Top

#5 In unrelated news today, the.eu extensions are up for grabs. Being American, I can't get a .eu web address, but it doesn't matter anyway as sacrebl.eu and mondi.eu are already spoken for.

Drat.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-04-08 13:06|| 2006-04-08 13:06|| Front Page Top

#6 CandyAsses.eu is also spoken for....

Posted by Florida Gator 2006-04-08 14:34|| 2006-04-08 14:34|| Front Page Top

#7 This article notes:

The crime in a housing project in Vitry-sur-Seine southeast of Paris exposed the problem of violence against women in impoverished French suburbs. Vitry-sur-Seine was the starting point of a protest march four months later for women's equality.

Derrar's accomplice, Tony Rocca, was sentenced to eight years in prison for barring the door of the garbage closet where Derrar left the victim while she screamed for help. Rocca denied the charge.

The two young men sat silently, their heads down, during the sentencing. Their supporters wept outside, calling the sentences too heavy.

The family of the victim left the courtroom immediately without speaking to reporters. The family's lawyer, Francis Szpiner, said Derrar should have been charged with murder. He noted that Derrar bought the bottle of gasoline a day before the attack and that rumors had flown around the neighborhood that "he was going to torch Sohane."

The court, however, ruled that the act was not premeditated

Just misunderstood yuts, ya know. (spit)

Posted by lotp 2006-04-08 14:35|| 2006-04-08 14:35|| Front Page Top

#8 Sohane's murder deeply shocked the country and her name became synonymous with the fight to improve women's rights, particularly to combat violence against women of immigrant background in the country's poor suburbs.

This is complete B.S.

Posted by DoDo 2006-04-08 15:19|| 2006-04-08 15:19|| Front Page Top

#9 Not to seem cold hearted, but while this tragedy was mediatised and acted as some kind of waking call (the media favorite and socialist front feminist org from the 'hood "ni putes ni soumises" was created from the "femmes de quartier" org at the occasion, and used this as a prop to get public exposure, to be later disawoved by sohane's family), this isn't certainly neither the firts, nor the last. There had been at least two others instances since, including one with the perp probably at large in his native Pakistan, hidden by his extended family.

and I remember reading in my very own local newspaper, quite a few years ago (mid-late 90's I'd say?) the sad case of a nurse who left her turkish boyfriend; the guy then lured her into an ambush in the country, gangraped her with a couple of pals, burned her alive and left her to die. I remember reading how a nearby farmer found her still alive, crawling in his courtyard, naked and "red as a lobster".

speaking of a nurse, there was also that other nurse who was doused with gasoline while coming home on Xmas eve, and being set on fire by a Youth(tm) who was later sentenced as mentally insane. This happened in 2002-2003, and she was disfigured and lost both hands.

And there was that handicapped womand set on fire during the 2005 ramadan riots, plus at least an another unreported case (except in local press and the www) of a woman doused with gasoline just outside of her home, but who managed to run away, also during the RR.

Add the rampant car BBQ, the torching of schools, gymnasiums,... what's with fire and theses guys??? Any possiblity it's psychosexual, or am I too freudian or something?

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-04-08 15:30|| 2006-04-08 15:30|| Front Page Top

#10 Btw, the first case in my last coment was at least as horrible as Sohane's (that's why I wrote about being cold-hearted), but this was treated in a small article, and I even doubt it made national news except in a very discreet way, as it is usually when the victim is not "a victim by essence"; time was different, but I somehow resent sohane "made the headlines" because it is emblematic of the feminine condition in the muslim projects. Still sad for that poor kid, though, and for her family (her sister's testimonies were quite clear, this guy was NOT a disgrunted would-be lover, as the defense said, but a smug young thug too cowardly to take his revenge on her boyfriend); JFM is right, in France the time actually spent in jail is roughly 1/2 of the sentence, with time spent before judgment included into the total. Thus, in about 10 years this scum will be out.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-04-08 15:38|| 2006-04-08 15:38|| Front Page Top

#11 Jamal Derrar, 22, Frenchman? Yeah sure. Perhaps Jean-Marie Asine or Louis Depradu, but Jamal!?

Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-04-08 16:35|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com] 2006-04-08 16:35|| Front Page Top

#12 Frenchman faces 25 years for burning girl alive

Were I the French media, I'd make d@mn sure to specify how the individuals in question were newcomers to French society, as in "first-generation" or some such other monicker. French people in general should be up in arms that the people of their country are being attributed with crimes of such barbarity.

Add the rampant car BBQ, the torching of schools, gymnasiums,... what's with fire and theses guys??? Any possiblity it's psychosexual, or am I too freudian or something?

Bah! My own bet is on how they never, ever get to barbecue pork ribs. Us Americans know that it is exactly this sort of manly, pyroclastic beer-drinking-accompanied sport that sublimates all sorts of primal urges and instinctual predispositions. Charred pigflesh and chilled alcohol, even paradise has little better to offer without taking your clothes off and it works on so many levels!

Posted by Zenster 2006-04-08 19:21|| 2006-04-08 19:21|| Front Page Top

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