Hi there, !
Sat 05/18/2024 Fri 05/17/2024 Thu 05/16/2024 Wed 05/15/2024 Archives
Rantburg Israel-Palestine-Jordan
534692 articles and 1864801 comments are archived on Rantburg.

Today: 63 articles and 49 comments as of 7:08.
Post a news link    Post your own article   
Area: WoT Background    Non-WoT    Opinion    Local News    Politix   
Today's Headlines
Headline Comments [Views]
Page 1: WoT Operations
2 04:07 badanov [41] 
0 [16] 
0 [16] 
8 03:03 Besoeker [66] 
2 07:03 Anon1 [32] 
1 02:27 Grom the reflective [30] 
Page 2: WoT Background
0 [7]
1 02:02 Grom the reflective [25]
1 02:03 Grom the reflective [23]
2 01:57 Grom the reflective [28]
1 00:47 Raj [20]
1 02:20 Grom the reflective [21]
1 02:31 Grom the reflective [21]
Page 4: Opinion
1 02:38 Whiskey Mike [28]
1 01:32 Grom the reflective [25]
Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Schmaybe 50 Tunnels Crossing Into Their Country Why Egypt So Riled About Rafah?
[Hot Air] Juuuussssttttt spitballin' here, but it certainly seems like we have an answer for Egypt's extraordinary pissiniss about Israel's plans to clear out Rafah.

I have to admit, this was the favored line of thinking over the past few weeks as the Biden administration sabotaged every Israeli move, and the Egyptians blustered and threatened. Almost to a one, folks weren't at all fooled. They were asking, "What is Egypt worried the Israelis are going to find?"

Well, hiya.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/18/2024 03:16 || Comments || Link || [41 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sadly, it's not just Egypt that is "so riled."

Pay no mind to the locals and their various wartime business arrangements. Please if you will, focus on the shining new floating pier.

Posted by: Besoeker || 05/18/2024 3:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Bastards

Posted by: badanov || 05/18/2024 4:07 Comments || Top||


Israeli military gov’t in Gaza would cost NIS 20 billion annually, require 5 divisions — report
As has been pointed out here before, losing the war is more expensive.
[IsraelTimes] Senior security officials recently requested an assessment on the cost of having an Israeli military government in Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
after the war against Hamas
..the well-beloved offspring of the Moslem Brotherhood,...
, with the price tag coming out to an estimated NIS 20 billion per year, according to the Ynet news site.

Citing a copy of the document, the report says that in addition to the cost of standing up a military government, Israel would have to shell out a yet-to-be-determined amount on rebuilding and repairing infrastructure in the enclave.

The report also says 400 people will be needed to staff the military government and that five IDF divisions would have to remain in Gaza, requiring Israel to shrink the number of troops on the northern border and in the West Bank as well as necessitate a significant increase in the deployment of reservists on operational duty.
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/18/2024 2024-05-18 01:12 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


White House says there will be a 'small US military component' protecting the new $320 million pier...
[Daily Mail, where America gets its news] A 'small' contingent of U.S. military personnel will provide security for a new $320 million floating pier bringing food aid to hungry residents of Gaza amid Israel's war on Hamas, the White House said.

White House national security spokesman John Kirby told reporters the U.S. military members would be there to provide security and assist in the complex orchestration of moving relief by sea and then distributing it to desperate residents by truck.

He said there would be a 'small U.S. military component on the pier itself.'

'One is to provide a modicum of security for it. But also to assist with the logistics. You're going to have ships pulling up to this pier. Not the big cargo ships. They'll transport it to smaller ships off the coast of Gaza ... You're going to need some logistical support to get it from the ships onto the trucks,' he said.

His comments to reporters come just two days after U.S. Central Command announced it had successfully anchored the pier to the beach in Gaza.

It stressed that no U.S. troops entered Gaza proper.

'As part of this effort, no U.S. troops entered Gaza. Trucks carrying humanitarian assistance are expected to begin moving ashore in the coming days. The United Nations will receive the aid and coordinate its distribution into Gaza,' according to the statement.

Kirby was emphatic that 'there are no U.S. servicemembers in Gaza.' President Biden, while providing billions in U.S. congressionally-appropriated military support to Gaza and using naval assets to protect navigation while helping foil attacks on Israel, has not involved U.S. forces in Israel's operation in Gaza.

Kirby's comments about U.S. forces came as he said there was a 'robust security plan' for the effort, and that the administration was 'laser focused on ensuring the safety of everybody involved in this effort,' amid concerns it could be vulnerable to attack.
Posted by: Skidmark || 05/18/2024 00:07 || Comments || Link || [25 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Iraq II?
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:02 Comments || Top||


Israeli soldier moderately hurt in West Bank stabbing; assailant caught
[IsraelTimes] Three Islamic Jihad gunmen killed overnight during IDF operation in Tulkarem; troops raid offices allegedly used to fund terror.

An Israeli soldier was stabbed near the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar and suffered moderate injuries, the military and medics said Thursday.

The Israel Defense Forces said the noncommissioned officer was stabbed at Yitzhar Junction, near Huwara, while in his vehicle. The stabber then expeditiously departed at a goodly pace.

The military said it launched a manhunt for the Paleostinian assailant and was blocking roads in the area. Three hours later, the suspected attacker was caught in the Paleostinian town of Awarta, not far from where the attack took place, the IDF said.

The maimed man was able to reach a nearby military position after being attacked. There, he told soldiers that he had slowed down and opened the window of his vehicle because he saw a Paleostinian gesturing to him with his hand, the Kan public broadcaster reported.

Medics took the soldier to Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, which said that after receiving initial medical treatment he was now regarded as lightly maimed.

Huwara has been a hotbed of violence in recent years with several deadly terror attacks in and around the Paleostinian town, which have been met with Dire Revenge attacks from bad boy settlers who have repeatedly rampaged through it.

It was the second stabbing incident of the day after early in the morning a man tried to stab Border Police officers in East Jerusalem. Officers opened fire on the man, killing him before he could cause any injuries.

There was deadly violence in other areas of the West Bank, with three Paleostinian button men killed overnight in festivities with troops during a crackdown on terror funding in the territory, according to Paleostinian Authority officials and the IDF. The military said the raids targeted offices allegedly involved in funneling money for terror purposes in Tulkarem, Nablus, Qalqilya, Bethlehem, Ramallah, Tubas, and other locations. Cash, documents, and "technological equipment" were seized amid the raids, the IDF said.

In Tulkarem and Qalqiliya, troops came under attack — though none of them were hurt — and returned fire, according to the army.

Border Police troops also opened fire and killed three Paleostinian button men who were planting bombs in Tulkarem, the military said. The Paleostinian Authority’s health ministry identified those killed as Ayman Ahmad Mubarak, 26, Husam Imad Daabas, 22, and Mohammed Yusif Nasrallah, 27.

The Paleostinian Islamic Jihad
...created after many members of the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood decided the organization was becoming too moderate. Operations were conducted out of Egypt until 1981 when the group was exiled after the assassination of President Anwar Sadat. They worked out of Gaza until they were exiled to Lebanon in 1987, where they clove tightly to Hezbollah. In 1989 they moved to Damascus, where they remain a subsidiary of Hezbollah...
terror group later claimed the three as members of its armed wing.

Several others were maimed by IDF fire in Tulkarem, the PA ministry said.

On Wednesday, Paleostinian officials said Israeli troops killed a man as festivities broke out after a West Bank march commemorating the Paleostinian "Nakba," or catastrophe, of Israel’s creation in 1948. The Israeli army did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Since October 7, troops have arrested some 4,000 wanted Paleostinians across the West Bank, including more than 1,700 affiliated with Hamas
..the braying voice of Islamic Resistance®,...
. According to the PA’s health ministry, more than 490 West Bank Paleostinians have been killed in that time.
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/18/2024 2024-05-18 00:07 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Islamic Jihad


Netanyahu accuses Egypt of holding Gazans ‘hostage’ in Rafah Border Crossing row
From a few days ago.
[IsraelTimes] PM says he hopes to reach understanding with Cairo over entry point for aid amid deteriorating ties; Egyptian officials: Cairo rejects Israel’s coordination plan to reopen crossing

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday pressed Egypt to reopen the Rafah Border Crossing, suggesting Cairo was holding the people of Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
"hostage" by not working with Israel on the key aid gateway amid a mounting rift between the two nations.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/18/2024 2024-05-18 00:02 || Comments || Link || [23 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Methinks El Sisi has been a president for life too long.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:03 Comments || Top||


Israel defence minister announces deployment of additional troops in Rafah
[GEO.TV] Israel's Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that more troops would "enter Rafah" as military operations intensify in Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
’s far-southern city, in remarks issued by his office Thursday.

The operation "will continue as additional forces will enter" the Rafah area, Gallant said, claiming that "several tunnels in the area have been destroyed by our troops... this activity will intensify".

"Hundreds of targets have already been struck, and our forces are manoeuvring in the area," he said according to a statement released by his office after he visited Rafah the previous day.

Israeli forces took control earlier in May of the Gaza side of the Rafah crossing with Egypt, in a push launched in defiance of US warnings that around 1.4 million civilians sheltering there could be caught in the crossfire.

The United Nations
...boodling on the grand scale...
agency for Paleostinian refugees, UNRWA, has said "600,000 people have fled Rafah since military operations intensified" in Rafah.
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [16 views] Top|| File under: Hamas


Arab League calls for peacekeepers in 'occupied Palestinian territories'
[GEO.TV] The Arab League
...an organization of Arabic-speaking states with 22 member countries and four observers. The League tries to achieve Arab consensus on issues, which usually leaves them doing nothing but a bit of grimacing and mustache cursing...
on Thursday called for a United Nations
...an organization originally established to war on dictatorships which was promptly infiltrated by dictatorships and is now held in thrall to dictatorships...
peacekeeping force in the Paleostinian territories at a summit dominated by the ongoing Israel-Hamas
..the well-beloved offspring of the Moslem Brotherhood,...
war in the Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
Strip.

The meeting of Arab heads of state and government convened in Bahrain more than seven months into the conflict in Gaza that has convulsed the wider region.

The "Manama Declaration" issued by the 22-member bloc called for "international protection and peacekeeping forces of the United Nations in the occupied Paleostinian territories" until a two-state solution is implemented.

The declaration also called on "all Paleostinian factions to join under the umbrella of the Paleostine Liberation Organization," which is dominated by Hamas' political rivals, the ruling Fatah movement.

The Arab League added that it considered the PLO "the sole legitimate representative of the Paleostinian people".
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [28 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Why bother? It's been done before with no actual peacekeeping being done.

Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 05/18/2024 1:15 Comments || Top||

#2  The subject of of "Arab Peacekeepers" (an oxymoron) was addressed in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973.
In 1973 it took Soviet Union & USA working together to save Egypt from a defeat that would destroy them as a country.
Things are a lot different now: the imbalance between Israel and Arabs - using borrowed tech they don't really understand - is much greater.
Also, Israel no longer has any illusions about it's Great Ally & post-civilized West in general.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 1:57 Comments || Top||


Hamas urges Arab countries to 'compel' end to Israeli offensive
[GEO.TV] Hamas
..not a terrorist organization, even though it kidnaps people, holds hostages, and tries to negotiate by executing them,...
called on Arab countries to "compel" Israel to end its offensive in Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
after Arab heads of state meeting in Bahrain demanded an "immediate and permanent ceasefire".

In a statement, the Paleostinian resistance group urged "brotherly Arab states to take the necessary measures to compel the (Israeli) occupation to stop its aggression."
Compel? Even the powerhouses of Egypt and Jordan can’t do more than carp and whine.
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [20 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  'The Power of Christ compels you!'
Posted by: Raj || 05/18/2024 0:47 Comments || Top||


13 foreign ministers warn Israel to halt Rafah assault: report
Hope that made y’all feel better, because that’s all your dear little letter will accomplish.
[GEO.TV] Foreign ministers from 13 countries have reportedly signed a letter advising Israel to stop its ground assault of Rafah in the southern Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
Strip and to permit more humanitarian aid to reach the Paleostinian population, Germany's DPA news agency reported.

DPA cited an article in the German daily Suddeutsche Zeitung which claimed that all seven main industrialised nations (G7), with the exception of the United States, had signed the four-page letter on Wednesday.

The foreign ministers of six G7 states — Germany, La Belle France, the UK, Italia, Japan and Canada — as well as their counterparts from Australia, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, South Korea and Sweden signed the letter, Al Jazeera reported.
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [21 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  The war against Globalism is just starting.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:20 Comments || Top||


Rafah hospital braces for casualty influx as Israel readies Gaza push
[GEO.TV] The Kuwaiti Speciality Hospital is one of the few places in Rafah the maimed or dying can turn for care, but that role may come under unbearable pressure if Israel launches a full-scale advance into the southern Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
city, doctors there say.

Israeli forces are bearing down on Rafah as part of their drive to eradicate Paleostinian group Hamas
..one of the armed feet of the Moslem Brüderbund millipede,...
, despite warnings this could result in mass casualties in an area where displaced civilians have found shelter.

Staff at the Speciality Hospital say they fear such an assault would produce a crush of new patients that would overwhelm exhausted doctors, who already complain of shortages of medicine and proper equipment.

"We have been here from the start of the war until now, and I do hope they will not target us, they will not threaten us," said doctor Jamal al-Hams.

"I do hope the whole medical team will continue to present its services to the injured people, to the critically ill patients, to the people who have chronic diseases," he added.
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [66 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Just how many hospitals did Gaza have anyway?
It seems there's an awful lot of hospitals for such a small area.
Posted by: Seeking Cure For Ignorance || 05/18/2024 1:18 Comments || Top||

#2  ^They're Globalists favored children - nothing is too good for them!
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 1:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Nothing is too good, and of course nothing is what they will shortly end up with.
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/18/2024 2:04 Comments || Top||

#4  ^They will always have Paris Brussels.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Indeed. Things ae getting ever more interesting in Brussels. I’m awfully glad Mr. Wife’s career never took us back there — one year back in the 1990s, when all we had to worry about was [mostly refugee] children being kidnapped for the illicit film industry under the quiet aegis of the Department of the Interior, was quite enough.
Posted by: trailing wife || 05/18/2024 2:12 Comments || Top||

#6  I said it before, and I'll say it again: EU is a cancer on the body of Humanity. Most of the staff you (American Rantburgers) complain about is NOT indigenous to USA but was imported from EU.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:23 Comments || Top||

#7  ^That by the way why I cheer for Russia. Despite their will they fight against Globalism for their survival just as they were forced (despite their will) to fight Nazism in 1941.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:26 Comments || Top||

#8  /\ Two competing tribes, both cancerous. 'Go with the evil you know' may certainly apply here.
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/18/2024 3:03 Comments || Top||


Gaza war death toll mounts to 35,303
[GEO.TV] At least 35,303 Palestinians have been killed and 79,261 have been wounded in Israel's military offensive on Gaza since October 7, the Gaza health ministry said in a statement on Friday.
Not according to the other branch of the UN, which insists Hamas’s numbers are over by a good 10,000. So really a scant 25,000, of which 15,000 are jihadis, per Israel.
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [32 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  1200x100 = 120000
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Every Arab Muslim in Gaza and West Bank should be resettled in Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Saudi

Those countries were among the original arab muslim belligerents who declared war on Israel on its founding and are therefore responsible for the displaced ancestors of the arab muslims who now claim to be “palestinians”

Resettle them all and be done with it.
There can be no peace or any two-state solution, only removal.

Israel is stupid for not immediately hitting both areas with carpet bombing on October 8 and forced relocations of survivors on October 9.

Stupid for trying to get back the hostages. Should have sadly accepted their deaths and just gone hard to make sure Gaza and West Bank were cleared of Islam once and for all.

Israel should have known that a drawn-out conflict would only give the Muslim Brotherhood propaganda weapons more powerful than theirs.

I fear they lost their country by refusing to go hard early.

Israel may well cease to exist.
Posted by: Anon1 || 05/18/2024 7:03 Comments || Top||


Hamas says it rejects any military presence on Palestinian land
You demilitarize first, O Hamasniks.
[GEO.TV] Hamas
..the braying voice of Islamic Resistance®,...
issued a statement on Friday saying the US-built pier off the Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
Strip is no alternative to opening all land crossings under Paleostinian supervision, adding that they reject any military presence on Paleostinian land.
Posted by: Fred || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [21 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  There is no Palestinian land - there are parts of the Land of Israel currently occupied by Arab squatters.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:31 Comments || Top||


Nation Building's Last Stand in Gaza
[FrontPage] Rafah isn’t just the last stand for Hamas, but for an entire foreign policy establishment.

The desperate effort to keep Israeli soldiers from going into the last Gaza stronghold of the Islamic terrorist organization is about more than the sum of the geopolitical parts. After nation building failed in Afghanistan and Iraq, and everywhere else it’s been tried, the radioactive ’Palestinian’ nation building experiment from over 30 years ago is its last hope.

Long before George W. Bush tackled nation building after 9/11, his father began the era of turning Muslim terrorist groups into countries with the project to give the PLO a state. Where the first Bush failed, Bill Clinton succeeded with the Oslo accords and a Nobel prize for Arafat.
“Succeeded”, anyway. He got the accords signed, and then Arafat promptly ignored the responsibilities he signed off on, while happily skimming billions off the top of the international and Israeli donations.
The PLO state failed long before Iran took over Iraq and the Taliban took over Afghanistan. There had never been anything peaceful, democratic or aspirational about Arafat and the PLO. By the time that Hamas had captured Gaza after winning democratic elections, it had long been clear to everyone outside of D.C. that rather than ending terrorism, statehood had incarnated it.

Any ’Palestinian’ state was doomed to be a terrorist state. The only question is who would run it. And the answer was that the biggest and deadliest terrorists would command popular support.

When Iraq and Afghanistan went bad, America could just leave, Israelis did not have that luxury. Sharon forcibly expelled the Jews living in Gaza to the other side of a border wall, but despite all the sob stories that the terrorists were living in an "open air concentration camp" with five-star hotels and mansions, walls weren’t that hard to get through even before Oct 7.

Israel has been stuck living next door to a failed thirty year nation-building experiment gone bad. And everyone in the international community is worried that the Oct 7 war will see it taken apart.

Lately the nation building experts have taken to warning that Israel is doing it the wrong way. Former CIA Director David Petraeus who also oversaw American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, has been arguing that Israel needs to pivot to a "counterinsurgency" model. And then we’re back to "winning hearts and minds" instead of actually trying to win a war.

The Biden administration has never stopped insisting that Israel needs a "day after" plan for rebuilding Gaza under a PLO government and some "moderate" terrorists from Hamas. Three generations after it became the norm, fighting a war without nation building as an endgame is so impossible that warfare experts can’t even understand what they’re seeing in Israel.

But among all the other problems with nation building is that it doesn’t work. And the Israelis who have been living next to the original chernobyl of nation building know it better than anyone.

Nation building has failed in every single Muslim country it’s been tried, not just by the United States after 9/11, but by the British between WWI and WWII. The entire Middle East is one long great nation building disaster shaped by primeval nation building experiments such as the Sykes-Picot agreement, the Hashemite monarchies and finally the recession of colonialism.

But it’s not just Muslim countries where nation building has backfired in familiar patterns.

D.C. elites can look to Haiti where decades of interference led to one disaster after another. The armed gangs overrunning the island nation started life as police forces. Democracy initiatives just worsened tensions and led to murderous outbreaks of political violence.

The same situation abounds across much of Africa, and parts of Latin America and Asia, where no amount of nation building could overcome tribalism, gang violence and political extremists.

Our nation building fails even worse than the British variety because it follows the American model of trying to overcome tribalism, assuming that democracy will empower individuals instead of blocs, and that having elected officials control institutions will lead to good government when in reality the majority seizes power and then viciously suppresses minorities.

American foreign policy believes that no people or group are good or bad, they just lack sufficient representation or the ability to participate in democratic elections. And that any governments that suppress any group, no matter how evil, are inherently illegitimate.
Any group but anyone who opposes the Left's most recent craze.
...Our "day after" plans for Afghanistan and Iraq cost us a generation of fighting men for nothing. Even the ’Surge’, the last stand of the counterinsurgency model, did nothing to stop Iraq from falling into the hands of Iran which is now using it to launch attacks on American bases.

"Truly winning this war would require creating some sort of government in Gaza that could gain the support of the people and prevent Hamas from returning after Israeli soldiers pull out," ex-neocon Max Boot argues in his Washington Post column.

But what if killing Jews is what the ’people’ in Gaza really want? Just as what the Shiites in Iraq really wanted was to step on the Sunnis and the Kurds, what the Sunnis in Iraq really wanted was to kill the Shiites and rape the Yazidis, and what the Kurds wanted was their own country. And just as a whole lot of Afghans really wanted to lock up women and mandate beards again.

Nation building’s faulty premise is that people everywhere want what Americans want.
Or used to. Nowadays???

Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [28 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Max Boot is still an idiot. More like Max Headroom.
Posted by: Whiskey Mike || 05/18/2024 2:38 Comments || Top||


IDF recovers bodies of hostages Itzhak Gelerenter, Amit Buskila, Shani Louk, all slain on Oct. 7
[IsraelTimes] IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari in a press statement says the military has recovered the bodies of three hostages from the Gazoo
...Hellhole adjunct to Israel and Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, inhabited by Gazooks. The place was acquired in the wake of the 1967 War and then presented to Paleostinian control in 2006 by Ariel Sharon, who had entered his dotage. It is currently ruled with an iron fist by Hamas with about the living conditions you'd expect. It periodically attacks the Hated Zionist Entity whenever Iran needs a ruckus created or the hard boyz get bored, getting thumped by the IDF in return. The ruling turbans then wave the bloody shirt and holler loudly about oppression and disproportionate response...
Strip.

He names them as Itzhak Gelerenter, Amit Buskila, and Shani Louk.

Hagari says the bodies were recovered in an overnight operation carried out by the military and Shin Bet.

The three were at the Supernova music festival near Re’im on the morning of October 7, where they then fled to the Mefalsim area.

Hagari says they were killed there by Hamas
..a regional Iranian catspaw,...
terrorists, and their bodies were then kidnapped to Gaza.
Townhall adds a fact I’ve not seen elsewhere:
The Israeli Defense Forces recovered the bodies of three Israeli hostages murdered by Hamas from the terrorists' tunnels in Rafah overnight, according to an announcement shared Friday.


Posted by: trailing wife || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [30 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  In the past Hamas did brisk trade in bodies of murdered Israelis.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 2:27 Comments || Top||


Area C will never be part of Israel
Long. A taste:
[Jpost] The year 2023 will be remembered as the year that witnessed the collapse of two closely related pillars of Israel’s West Bank policy. Together, these policies constitute grave misconceptions that nevertheless have been proudly championed by Israel's ultra-nationalist right-wing government. The first policy pillar is the “divide and rule” strategy, whereby the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were intentionally separated to prevent the establishment of a future Palestinian state and to facilitate the sequestering of the West Bank and its ultimate annexation to Israel. This pillar crumbled to wrack and ruin on October 7th when it became abundantly clear that allowing Hamas to grow at the expense of the Palestinian Authority has grave consequences. The second pillar, the “battle over Area C,” sought to create spatial and demographic conditions permitting the annexation of an area that accounts for 60 percent of the West Bank. This pillar has been disintegrating gradually over several years.

The roots of these failed policies can be found in Israel's abdication of its legal commitments that were ratified in the Oslo Accords.
Given that both the Palestinian Authority/PLO/Fatah and Hamas abdicated their legal commitments from the beginning, it seems unfair and unrealistic to demand Israel stick to them.
In the declaration of principles, the State of Israel accepted the notion of unity of the West Bank and Gaza Strip: “The two sides view the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as a single territorial unit, whose integrity will be preserved during the interim period.” With regard to Area C, the agreement stated: “The Parties agree that the area of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations [Jerusalem, settlements, and military sites] will be gradually transferred to Palestinian jurisdiction, to be completed within 18 months from the inauguration of the Council.” It also stated that: “‘Area C’ means areas of the West Bank outside Areas A and B, which, except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, will be gradually transferred to Palestinian jurisdiction in accordance with this Agreement.” In simple terms – all the agreements signed by the State of Israel define the Gaza Strip and the West Bank as a single territorial unit. This principle has guided all negotiations conducted by the two sides. Area C, therefore, has been under an extremely extended temporary status pending its eventual transfer to Palestinian jurisdiction.

Regarding the first failure – the collapse of the “divide and rule” policy – the Palestinians are united in their insistence on a joint future for the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Yes, yes. But does that mean Hamas will rule or Fatah/PLO/Palestinian authority? I admit it’s a silly question, as it looks like Hamas is the more popular option in both territories, and the PA demonstrated their inability to hold Gaza in the teeth of Hamas armaments back in 2007.
Similarly, there is overwhelming consensus in the international community on the two-state solution as the only viable solution to the conflict.
So? The international community doesn’t have to worry about Palestinians rampaging over the border with pillage, plunder, rape, torture, and murder in their minds. So it is none of the international community’s business.
Israel has also accepted this principle in all negotiations with the Palestinians, and it is only the stalemate in diplomacy during the Netanyahu years that gave rise to the catastrophic divide and rule strategy. Because the territorial integrity issue is clear and undisputed, we focus on the second failure – the battle over Area C. Our research, conducted as part of the T-Politography project, a project dedicated to empirically monitoring changing levels of Israeli and Palestinian control in the territories in several different domains, examined the period from 2010 through the end of 2023. During these Netanyahu years (with a one-year Bennett-Lapid government), we found clear evidence that Israel is squandering its resources on a lost cause.

Motivated by the idea that it is possible to annex most of the West Bank without its Palestinian population, Israel devoted its full force and all the means at its disposal to shape the political future of Area C. This process included unprecedented budgetary allocations for the expansion of settlements; the establishment of additional government ministries as channels for the indirect transfer of funds; the encouragement and retroactive whitewashing of illegal outposts by the government; the construction of roads such as the Hawara and El-Arub bypasses, each of which cost over 200 million US Dollars; attempting to legislate the Regularization Bill – a bill that would allow the seizure of private Palestinian land; attempting to abolish the grounds of reasonableness clause (both legislation initiatives were canceled by the Israeli Supreme Court); and the absence of an immediate and forceful response to settler violence against the Palestinians. The process reached its peak in 2023 with the transfer of responsibility for the Civil Administration of the West Bank to ultra-nationalist Betzalel Smotrich as an additional minister in the Defense Ministry, which effectively turned him into the de-facto governor of the West Bank.

The Palestinian side did not remain impassive in the face of this Israeli campaign. The Palestinian struggle for Area C was implemented through the Fayyad Plan, a two-year plan formulated by former PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad in 2009. The plan offered a roadmap for building Palestinian infrastructure and institutions to establish a de facto Palestinian state throughout the West Bank. The plan enjoyed international support and a budget of over half a billion euros from the EU.
Posted by: Skidmark || 05/18/2024 00:00 || Comments || Link || [25 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Globalist nonsense. The world is waking up from that stupid dream. All Israel has to do is to endure until we can deal with Arabs (all of them, not just "Palestinians") in the only way they understand.
Posted by: Grom the reflective || 05/18/2024 1:32 Comments || Top||



Who's in the News
31[untagged]
18Hamas
3Hezbollah
3Govt of Sudan
2Moslem Colonists
1Palestinian Islamic Jihad
1Tin Hat Dictators, Presidents for Life,
1Commies
1Hizb-ut-Tahrir
1Islamic State
1Mob Rule

Bookmark
E-Mail Me

The Classics
The O Club
Rantburg Store
The Bloids
The Never-ending Story
Thugburg
Gulf War I
The Way We Were
Bio

Merry-Go-Blog











On Sale now!


A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.

Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.

Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has dominated Mexico for six years.
Click here for more information

Meet the Mods
In no particular order...
Steve White
Seafarious
tu3031
badanov
sherry
ryuge
GolfBravoUSMC
Bright Pebbles
trailing wife
Gloria
Fred
Besoeker
Glenmore
Frank G
3dc
Skidmark

Two weeks of WOT
Fri 2024-05-17
  2 foreign nationals in ICE custody after alleged attempted breach at Quantico
Thu 2024-05-16
  Battle rages in northern Gaza as 600,000 flee war-ravaged Rafah
Wed 2024-05-15
  One Of Boko Haram Founders, Tahir Baga Reportedly Killed As Nigerian Soldiers Clear 5 Terrorists’ Enclaves In Sambisa Forest
Tue 2024-05-14
  Hundreds flee as Israel pursues ferocious attack on Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp
Tue 2024-05-14
  Hundreds flee as Israel pursues ferocious attack on Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp
Sun 2024-05-12
  IDF calls on Gazans to leave additional Rafah neighborhoods as it presses operation
Sat 2024-05-11
  Israeli tanks encircle eastern half of Rafah
Fri 2024-05-10
  Report: Biden Admin Issued Sanctions Waiver on Arms Sales to Arab States Day Before Withholding Weapons From Israel
Wed 2024-05-08
  Israeli army seizes control of Rafah's border crossing after a night of heavy bombing
Tue 2024-05-07
  IDF strikes Hamas terror targets in East Rafah
Mon 2024-05-06
   Biden administration puts hold on US ammunition shipment to Israel: report
Sun 2024-05-05
  A jury in San Diego has convicted two So Cal Antifa members of felony conspiracy to riot following a brutal attack
Sat 2024-05-04
  26 martyrs, 51 wounded on the 210th day of the Israeli Gaza operation


Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
3.149.249.154
Help keep the Burg running! Paypal:
WoT Background (16)    Non-WoT (9)    Opinion (5)    Local News (11)    Politix (5)