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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Just shooting the cops Americans don't want to shoot
A fare-beater caught sneaking into a Queens subway last night coldly shot two cops with one of their own guns after he knocked them to the station-platform floor, authorities said. The gunman then bolted - weapon still blazing at the wounded Anti Crime transit cops - and ran into a lieutenant who dodged the suspect's bullets and pumped four of his own into him.

The heart-pounding, rush-hour shootout at 5:15 p.m. had straphangers ducking for cover at the F-train station at 21st Street/Queensbridge in Long Island City. The shower of bullets lasted less than a minute, Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Undercover Officer Shane Farina, 38, was critically wounded by a bullet that slammed into his side below his bulletproof vest. He had surgery at Elmhurst Hospital but later was giving a thumbs up to those around him, a hospital spokesman said. He was in serious but stable condition. Partner Jason Maass, 28, also wearing a vest, was grazed in the back. He left the hospital last night but not before stopping by to check on his partner.

Suspect Raul Nuñez, 32 - who sneaked back into the United State after he was deported to his native Dominican Republic in 2001 for a 1997 drug conviction - was at Bellevue Hospital with gunshot wounds to the legs and torso. He faces attempted-murder charges.

The crackling burst of violence occurred after Nuñez swiped a student MetroCard, setting off an alarm in the token booth on the upper level where Lt. Gary Abrahall was stationed, authorities said. Abrahall radioed Maass and Farina about the fare-beater, and the two cops grabbed Nuñez and got one handcuff on him. He immediately began to struggle, and knocked them to the ground. In the scuffle, a source said, Maass' gun fell to the platform and Nuñez grabbed it. He then stood over the two cops and fired two pointblank shots at them, a source said.

Racing from the bloodshed, Nuñez headed up an escalator, turning back to fire another shot at the wounded cops. But Abrahall was waiting at the top. Though Nuñez fired three times at the lieutenant, he missed, and Abrahall hit Nuñez four times.

Later in custody, another source said, Nuñez "indicated that he was afraid of being deported. He had been deported once before and he was afraid of going back."
Because he loves America I'm sure...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/22/2008 11:36 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't immigration the elephant in the room of those elections? IIUC, state laws have started to try and correct the problem, and so may a recession/economic crisis, but I don't think that national-level pols and even less the two candidates and the VP have had much to say about it?
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/22/2008 12:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Nunez better hope they deport him real damn quick now
Posted by: chris || 10/22/2008 12:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Lt. Abrahall needs more time at the range.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/22/2008 13:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Abrahall hit Nuñez four times

If you are going to go to the trouble of shooting someone, you might as well do it up right.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/22/2008 13:27 Comments || Top||

#5  He's looking at 25 to life, so I doubt he'll be bounced back to the Dominican's sunny shores anytime soon.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/22/2008 13:40 Comments || Top||

#6  3 debates no questions on immigration.
Posted by: DK70 the Scantily Clad7177 || 10/22/2008 15:09 Comments || Top||

#7  tu3013, i was thinking he is looking like a good candidate for the next mop handle being shoved up his backside, which he deserves
Posted by: chris || 10/22/2008 15:11 Comments || Top||

#8  If both candidates have pretty similar views on an issue it is often avoided in debates.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/22/2008 16:30 Comments || Top||

#9  If he has been barred from re-entry, that can be 20 years right there. It is a serious deal, so this clown is looking at life, easy.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/22/2008 22:09 Comments || Top||

#10  Abrahall hit Nuñez four times.

with what? Buckshot? Why isn't he dead? Somebody needs to give these cops bigger bullets.
Posted by: Betty || 10/22/2008 22:37 Comments || Top||


USAF F-16 Scores Truck Kill in LAS VEGAS
October 21, 2008 (by Lieven Dewitte) - A US Air force F-16 dropped a BDU-33 dummy bomb near the strip in Las Vegas, hitting a truck.
FAC reported an ACORN campaign bus was in the area.....
The 22 pound bomb fell from an F-16 flying over Nellis AFB at 11.30h on wednesday morning. Somehow the device got detached from the launching mechanism after which it fell 1,700 feet.
This has been known to happen when bombs become detached....
It first hit the tarmac near a mobility warehouse at the base itself before it bounced over a fence and penetrated the front of a civilian truck. The driver of the truck escaped with nothing more than a bad fright.
....followed by soiled underwear, foul language, and, shortly, a new truck.
A Spokesperson for the Air Force did not know how the bomb became unattached, nor did they know whether pilot error was involved.
"Actually, our guy made a terrible mistake, he thought it was car-load of reporters."
"We take this incident very seriously. The safety of our airmen and our neighbors here is of the utmost concern to us and we're very, very thankful no one was injured," Brig. Gen. Russell J. Handy, the 57th Wing commander, said.
Soon-to-be Colonel Handy if he doesn't have a really good explanation.
The BDU-33 training bomb is used to simulate air-to-ground weapons and does not contain explosives. The device has a small smoke charge used to mark the impact point.

Investigators said the incident was probably not due to negligence on the part of the pilot, but was more likely the result of malfunctioning bomb racks or incorrect installation of the bombs.
Base personnel have been alerted to be aware of a similar hazard, rolling heads, during the next few weeks.
The pilot can probably have a truck kill marking painted on his jet now.
They have kill-markings for everything now: planes and choppers, of course, but also trucks, tanks, camels, buildings, missile launchers, guns, etc. There's a new one I haven't figured out yet, though; a typewriter superimposed on a whisky bottle. Whatever could this represent?
It is not uncommon for practice bombs to fall off Air Force jets. In March for example, a BDU-33 fell from an F-16 over Tulsa, Okla., striking an apartment building.
Imagine the truck driver's initial report to his insurance company:
"You were bombed by an F-16? Sure. What were you doing? Giving Osama a lift? You're out of luck, we don't cover acts of war."
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/22/2008 00:30 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  nice inline comments :-)
Posted by: Classer || 10/22/2008 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Haji and Muji were unavailable for comment at press time.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/22/2008 3:32 Comments || Top||

#3  ...This sort of thing, sadly, does happen. A BDU-33 is roughly the same shape and dimensions as a bowling pin with fins at the long end. This shape gives it the same ballistic characteristics as a full-size Mk82 500lb bomb - AND it's reusable. Th problem is that it doesn't have the same safeguards as a full up -82 to keep it from dropping - it has only one attachment lug, no sway braces - and if the loader is in the slightest bit inattentive, or the ejection cartridge misfired, the BDU can and will come off at the slightest provocation such as a nice, tight break as the pilot gets into the pattern. Because of the time of the accident, it sounds to me like this bird was returning from a practice run where the cart fired but the bomb didn't leave the plane. Somebody didn't do a hung bomb check, and Mr BDU stayed with the bird until he pulled a couple G's going into the pattern.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/22/2008 5:01 Comments || Top||

#4  "There's a new one I haven't figured out yet, though; a typewriter superimposed on a whisky bottle."

Journalist?
Posted by: Minister of funny walks || 10/22/2008 7:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Probably a nit picky remark, but as I recall Nellis AFB is nowhere "near" the strip.
Posted by: Lionel Flaigum1587 || 10/22/2008 7:44 Comments || Top||

#6  I doubt anyone will get in any real trouble for this. After all, what happens in Vegas, . . . .
Posted by: Mike || 10/22/2008 7:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Mike is right. Getting bombed in Las Vegas is not news.
Posted by: Richard of Oregon || 10/22/2008 13:00 Comments || Top||

#8  While stationed at Luke AFB in Phoenix, one of my compatriots had a 'bad day'. The bombing ranges in Arizona are located in the southern half of the state. Some of the bomb runs extend many miles outside the ranges themselves. One of the runs matched the border between Maricopa and Pima counties almost exactly. The major highway connecting Phoenix and Tucson runs perpendicular to the county lines and the aformentioned bomb run. Also, county sheriffs liked to meet at the county line and park their cruisers nose to nose and shoot the proverbial, well you know what. Thus the scenario for a perfect storm was set

Our intrepid F-4 aviators flying a low level route, at around 500', for a simulated nuclear radar delivery, make their final turn looking for the IP. The WSO, in the back seat, head stuck in the radar is looking for the reflectors indicating the target. He sees and acquires the target. Hits the switch to start the timers for the drop. The pilot hits the 'pickle' button and the drop tone starts. As they approach the highway, the tone stops, indicating that the MK 106 simulated nuclear weapon has 'left the building'.

As they cross the highway, they see the flash- bang smoke cartidge go off. Long 110' at 12 relative to the cruisers. The rocket scientist in the back of the bird had obviously picked up the cruisers on his radar, an understandable mistake. The fact that they were literally miles from the range, understandable, not so much.

Boy was there a lot of paperwork, briefings and reg changes on that one. Always wished I'd had a chance to talk to the deputies involved.
Posted by: Total War || 10/22/2008 14:13 Comments || Top||

#9  "Something heavy will fall on you from a great height if you rattle the windows in Vegas' high-rise hotels with your speed run, son."
-- Good advice to nuggets
Posted by: mojo || 10/22/2008 15:45 Comments || Top||

#10  Sure this isn't an episode of CSI?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/22/2008 15:54 Comments || Top||

#11  Hey hey, just in time for CARY GRANT on TV > OPERATION PETTICOAT = "We sunk a Truck".

* "For the first time in my professional Naval career I came close to hitting a Woman...Is it possible that [sexy slinky bosomy Army Lt. babe] could possibly be a enemy spy"!?

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/22/2008 19:24 Comments || Top||

#12  Never saw a BDU reused; they were all bent up due to hitting the ground. or whatever. Of course it is not unknown for the Ordies to 'adjust' the fins of these things if they were not particularly fond of the aircrew' does wonderful things to the trajectory and makes it almost impossible to hit the target. just sayin'

and 'near' vis-a-vis Nellis and 'the strip' is relative; i remember a fairly short walk to, and a slightly longer crawl back to Nellis following Liberty one dark Red Flag night....
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/22/2008 23:14 Comments || Top||


HC asks hospital to explain girl's 'captivity'
Allahabad HC's Lucknow bench on Tuesday sought an explanation from Sanjay Gandhi Post-graduate Institute of Medical Sciences for allegedly holding an 18-year-old patient captive for her inability to pay for treatment.
"Dr. Patel, the wench has no money to pay for her appendectomy!"
"Then why'd we give her one? Put her to work washing bandages!"
Justice Pradeep Kant issued the notice after taking suo motu cognizance based on a TOI report.
They read about it in the papers? What an original idea.
Salma has been in the Institute's alleged captivity for more than an year.
"More bandages, Dr. Patel!"
"Give them to Cinderella! And see that she irons them this time!"
Additional advocate general J N Mathur, who is also the counsel for the Institute, sought a day's time for reply. The bench said TOI's report be taken as a public interest litigation (PIL). The case would be heard on Wednesday. The case was taken up after a local lawyer Adarsh Mehrotra raised the issue in the high court. He said there is no law where in a patient can be held captive by a hospital in case of non-payment of bills.
Of course there isn't. Standard practice is to send them home to recover and turn them over to a collection agency. The agency will then send them seven dunning letters a week, ring their phone every 16 minutes, and put liens against most of the things they own, to include dentures, if any.
Since this is India, you can always go after the great-grandchildren ...
Later in the day, Institute authorities held a press conference and announced the girl would be discharged and all her dues waived. Institute director Dr A K Mahapatra said Salma would be sent to Varanasi with the help of district magistrate, Lucknow. He said they have intimated district magistrate, Varanasi, about the issue.
Caved pretty quickly on that one, didn't they? Is there a smell of old flounder overlaying that of the used bandages? Is Cinderella perhaps attractive? Are the more sordid parts of this story waiting to be told?
Posted by: Fred || 10/22/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wait for the Bollywood movie.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 10/22/2008 10:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Is this India or Pakistan. I thought Allahabad was in Pakistan.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/22/2008 17:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Nope. In India.
Posted by: Fred || 10/22/2008 21:28 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Nicolas Sarkozy threatens to sue over voodoo doll
Nicolas Sarkozy has threatened to sue the makers of a voodoo doll of the French leader which is sold with instructions on how to stick pins in it.

Each body part of the doll, which comes with a set of pins and a "voodoo instruction manual", is accompanied by a provocative quote related to the French president.

These include his campaign slogan "work more to earn more," or "platform heels" – referring to the diminutive president's chunky shoes designed to gain a few inches in height.

On his groin is written "scum" – the word he used to describe young suburban delinquents before the riots of 2005.

Some 20,000 voodoo kits, which come complete with a satirical biography, have already been produced.

Mr Sarkozy's lawyer Thierry Herzog called on the makers to "immediately cease all distribution of this doll".

He added: "Nicolas Sarkozy has charged me with reminding you that he commands an exclusive and absolute right over his image, regardless of his status and fame."

The company, K&K, has also produced 12,000 dolls of SégolÚne Royal, the Socialist candidate Mr Sarkozy defeated in last year's presidential elections. Her lawyer described the doll as a "breach of dignity" and also promised legal action.

K&K said the demand to withdraw the dolls was "totally disproportionate" and that it would make more of other politicians if they sold well.

Mr Sarkozy has launched several law suits for libel since taking up office last June. In January he won a case against the budget airline Ryanair after it released a poster featuring him with his wife, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.

Last week, he sued the former head of France's police intelligence service after extracts of his notebooks were published. They included unsubstantiated allegations about Mr Sarkozy's private life and financial affairs.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/22/2008 03:36 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Actually it was not Sarkozy who used the word scum. It was a person living in
a lawless zone who used this tem while talking to Sarkozy. One of those persons who fears for her kids and her belongings. One of persons who lived were those rich white kids named journalists (the people who doused gasoline on fire by preting it was Sarkozy) don't live.
Posted by: JFM || 10/22/2008 8:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I really don't care for sarcocu the conman, but I have to concur with JFM,

1) racaille/scum is the word the Youths themselves use to describe their kind, and has entered common lmanguage to the point it is colloquially used to designate Youths, so there really is NO inflammatory value in it anyway, past the "controversy" manufactured by the msm then, and

2) it was not even used by sarko himself, he was just responding to a woman, as he was visiting an occupied 'hood, and was "ambushed" by State-owned france 2 television (because dominique galouzeau "de villepin" had mebbes omething to do with that, and because sarko sold himself as conservative/rightwing, which is pretty funny in itself with hindsight, and the left REALLY don't like him, cf the doll).
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/22/2008 9:12 Comments || Top||


Britain
Masters of the Universe move on to greener pastures
The carbon cash-in

Fresh from the devastation they have wrought on the global financial system, some of the world's leading investment banks meet in London today to discuss how they can "cash in" on carbon. But at least delegates and speakers at the Cashing in on Carbon conference are open about not trying to reduce emissions or helping the environment. Oh, no. This event is to see how "investment banks can profit today from an increasingly diverse range of carbon-related investment opportunities". Particularly reassuring is the emphasis on "hybrid and complex carbon credit structured products", and how to identify investor demand for them in the US; "derivative/synthetic carbon products"; and "sub-index arbitrage strategies". Also, we can refresh our knowledge of the basic options for "productising carbon" and of "access channels for producers ... speculators, proprietary traders and investors". Good to see that execs from Lord [Nicholas] Stern's company, IDEAcarbon, will be there, too.
Posted by: tipper || 10/22/2008 11:02 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When the wheels come off the AGW bandwagon, convert all the "master of the universe" who attended the conference into carbon, and put them on display in the world,s capitals as a reminder to others with similar ideas...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/22/2008 12:39 Comments || Top||

#2  At least we know what the Great Bailout of 2018 will be about.
Posted by: charger || 10/22/2008 12:42 Comments || Top||

#3  I hope somebody took photographs and names.
One could do ourselves a favor by giving said photos to certain groups telling them they were the Zionist exploiters...
Posted by: 3dc || 10/22/2008 13:01 Comments || Top||


Europe
Icelandic Meltdown
Posted by: tipper || 10/22/2008 01:06 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This sucks. As a kid, I lived on Keflavik AFB (this is in the 50's before the Navy took over) and enjoyed the Icelandic people and their culture. I cannot believe we are giving them up to Putin and his ilk. Iceland has a new Aluminum smelter on the northeast side and other resources. Its still pretty strategic to me. Sad.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/22/2008 11:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Russia is a paper tiger and not up to Putin's ambitions. I'm more than happy to sit back and let them bail out Iceland, particularly with oil under $70 and base commodities collapsing.

Empires are expensive and Russia cannot afford one.

Posted by: DoDo || 10/22/2008 13:18 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Ink-jet print a new organ using cells instead of ink...
Japanese scientist Makoto Nakamura is on a mission to see if it can also produce human organs.

The idea is for the printer to jet out thousands of cells per second -- rather than ink droplets -- and to build them up into a three-dimensional organ.

"It would be like building a huge skyscraper on a micro level using different kinds of cells and other materials instead of steel beams, concrete and glass," he told AFP in this city in central Japan.

"Ultimately I hope to make a heart," said Nakamura, professor at the graduate school of science and technology for research at the state-run University of Toyama.

While Nakamura says it would take him some 20 years to develop a heart, the feat could pave the way to mass produce "good hearts" for patients waiting for transplants.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/22/2008 00:05 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Call me when they can grow a pituitary gland.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/22/2008 6:04 Comments || Top||

#2  So, can they make a photocopy of my penis, but enlarged? I think we should focus on the useful organ grafts, here, people.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/22/2008 10:53 Comments || Top||

#3  So, can they make a photocopy of my penis, but enlarged? I think we should focus on the useful organ grafts, here, people.
Posted by anonymous5089


Well at least that'd put an end to 1/3 of the spam in my In Box.
Posted by: DLR || 10/22/2008 10:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Ultimately I hope to make a heart.

What good is that? My first wife has one she's never used.
Posted by: GORT || 10/22/2008 12:27 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Zionist Spy Pigeons!
Maybe they read The Protocols Of The Elders Of Flyin'

Security forces in Natanz have arrested two suspected "spy pigeons" near Iran's controversial uranium enrichment facility, the reformist Etemad Melli newspaper reported on Monday.

One of the pigeons was caught near a rose water production plant in the city of Kashan in Isfahan province, the report cited an unnamed informed source as saying, adding that some metal rings and invisible strings were attached to the bird.

"Early this month, a black pigeon was caught bearing a blue-coated metal ring, with invisible strings," the source was quoted as saying of the second pigeon.

"The beaks on these two are especially pronounced," continued the source, who noted that the invisible strings could also have been used to haul away small children for neocon rituals and Neil Diamond concerts.

The source gave no further description of the pigeons, neither their current status nor what their fate will be.

Squab has been sighted on several area menus.
Posted by: tipper || 10/22/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tipper, are those the same two boids that reported on here on Monday?
Posted by: GK || 10/22/2008 0:08 Comments || Top||

#2  These aren't the boids you're looking for.

Move along now.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/22/2008 1:59 Comments || Top||

#3  ...with frickin' lasers on their heads!
Posted by: Kojo Sniter8886 || 10/22/2008 8:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Before this the Iranians arrested 14 Secret Squirrels. All I can is they are nuts.
Posted by: ed || 10/22/2008 9:24 Comments || Top||

#5  "The beaks on these two are especially pronounced,"

See, this all fits, jooooos have crooked noses, jooooos pigeons have especially pronounced beaks! Can't fool those guys, nope, nope, nope. Of course, the tsahal helmet might have been something of a giveaway, too.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/22/2008 10:18 Comments || Top||

#6  You just can't make this guano up.
Posted by: Korora || 10/22/2008 12:39 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.
Hookerage has, of course, always been against the law in San Francisco. There has never been a time where women were exploited in large numbers, hawking their personal wares from the streets or spending a miserable existence taking on all comers in cribs on the Barbary Coast. Such things would never happen in the City by the Bay.
San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K--a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.
Are you sure it's not Proposition K-Y? And I don't think I'd use "proposition" in the wording.
They had the separate K-Y version for homosexuals, but that was deemed discriminatory.
The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.
In the very near future it seems San Francisco will be it's own little State where only San Francisco laws apply.
Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.
Ahhh, "collectives". Is that another word for Unions?
Not quite...
The foundation upon which the Barbary Coast reared its fantastic structure of crime and debauchery was a system of commercialized prostitution that occupied a semi-lawful status in San Francisco for more than sixty years. Throughout that period the harlot was the divekeeper's greatest single asset and his most important attraction; whatever she did worked to his advantage, whether she labored as a streetwalker, as an inmate of the brothels, as a decoy in the deadfalls, or as a waiter girl and performer in the dance-halls, concert saloons, melodeons, and peepshows. Without the drawing power of the professional bawd it is doubtful if the Barbary Coast could have maintained, for more than a few years, a profitable existence as a so-called amusement center. In the final analysis a great majority of the men who visited the quarter did so because of the lewdness and depravity of the women who were to be found there; and when open prostitution was driven out of the shadow of the Golden Gate, the Barbary Coast soon followed it into oblivion.
We're not even going to bring up the Sidney Ducks.
"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K-Y.
I'm guessing that wasn't the only reason she moved ...
Even in tolerant San Francisco--where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory--the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.
From the first 49ers to the first hookers was a matter of a day or two. From the first hookers to the first Vigilance Committee was about 18 months. The second was five years later.
Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels. In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K-Y say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.
More at the link. There are both pros and cons to legalized prostitution and I don't pretend to judge one way or another. The fact that a municipality that is subject to State laws is considering not obeying or enforcing them is my point here. That goes for any municipality that refuses to obey or enforce State or Federal laws.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 10/22/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They have hookers in San Francisco? Who knew? I would have thought the amateur competition had run them out of business by now.

The whores won't be allowed to wear panties, though: California law requires that public utilities be open for inspection at all times.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/22/2008 2:03 Comments || Top||

#2  but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

No, I don't think the DA's and cops will ever stop going after the girls. It's one of the perks of the job isn't it?
Posted by: GORT || 10/22/2008 7:41 Comments || Top||

#3  They wanna save a lotta money, why don't they just disband the police force? Wouldn't think there's much of a need for one in San Francisco, seeing how they don't consider much to be illegal.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/22/2008 9:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Then who would collect the parking fines?
Posted by: ed || 10/22/2008 9:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Deputize the bums.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/22/2008 10:17 Comments || Top||

#6  They pay the homeless in SF about $400 a month. Perhaps they should do the same for the hookers. Make it a free service of the city.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 10/22/2008 10:32 Comments || Top||

#7  They don't "weigh" anything excepting drugs in San Francisco.
"weighing" is an alien though concept.. in SanFran.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/22/2008 13:06 Comments || Top||

#8  Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives

What the hell do the police need to form collectives for?
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/22/2008 16:36 Comments || Top||

#9  San Francisco = Free Zone for everything.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/22/2008 18:08 Comments || Top||



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