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Home Front: Politix
Gates Urges Veto of Troop-Rest Measure
2007-09-17
WASHINGTON (AP) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday he would recommend a veto of a Senate proposal that would give troops more rest between deployments in Iraq, branding it a dangerous "backdoor way" to draw down forces.

Democrats pledged to push ahead with the plan by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., and expressed confidence they could round up the votes to pass it, although perhaps not by the margin to override a veto. "The operational tempo that our forces are under is excruciatingly difficult for our soldiers, Marines, all of our personnel and their families," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I. "They deserve the same amount of time back home as they stay in the field."
It's almost as if they actually care about our troops. Almost.
With the Senate expected to resume debate this week on anti-war legislation, Gates sharpened his criticism of Webb's proposal. It would require troops get as much time at their home station as their deployments to the war front.

Gates was asked in broadcast interviews about recommending a veto to Bush should the proposal pass. "Yes I would," the Pentagon chief said. "If it were enacted, we would have force management problems that would be extremely difficult and, in fact, affect combat effectiveness and perhaps pose greater risk to our troops," he said.

Supporters of Webb's proposal say it has at least 57 of the 60 votes needed for passage. It would need 67 votes to override a veto.

A separate proposal by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., seeks to restrict the mission of troops to fighting terrorist and training the Iraqi security force."The president has dangled a carrot in front of the American people talking about troop reductions," Levin said. "But, again, it is an illusion of a change of course and the American people are not buying it. My colleagues are not buying it."
"I think we have a good chance of getting to the 60 votes to call for a change in policy. I hope we get there in the next couple of weeks," he said.

If Webb's amendment were enacted, Gates said it would force him to consider again extending tours in Iraq. He explained that the military commanders would be constrained in the use of available forces, creating gaps and forcing greater use of an already strained National Guard and Reserve. "It would be extremely difficult for us to manage that. It really is a backdoor way to try and force the president to accelerate the drawdown," Gates said. "Again, the drawdowns have to be based on the conditions on the ground."

"We would have to be looking at gapping units where there would - a unit pulling out would not be immediately replaced by another," he added. "So you'd have an area of combat operations where no U.S. forces would be present for a period, and the troops coming in would then face a much more difficult situation."

Active-duty Army units today are on 15-month deployments with a promise of no more than 12 months rest. Marines who spend seven or more months at war sometimes get six months or less at home. "We're having difficulty trying to keep to my policy of 15 months deployed, 12 months at home, for the active force and a full-year mobilization limit on the Guard and Reserve. We're having enough trouble trying to make that work, without the strictures of legislation," Gates said.
Posted by:Steve White

#15  I agree the Army deployments are too long. Soldiers already get 2 weeks(?) individual leave at the 6 month point. Why not follow the Marine model and rotate units in every 7 months. The amount of travel will still be the same and there will be less stress on troops and families.
Posted by: ed   2007-09-17 23:33  

#14  I thought troop levels were increasing. Slowly, but nonetheless. I seem to recall that recruitment, at least for the Army and Marines, has been above 100% of annually increasing targets, and retention has been higher than expected, too. There was a bit of a fuss in the media about lowered standards in order to mee the higher targets. Do I misremember?
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-09-17 22:22  

#13  remember; the last person in the ranks to seriously advise such a concept, was drummed out the Corps. Hmmm...General Shenseki!

1. Shineski was Army, not a Marine. hence no Corps to be 'drummed out' of.

2. His advice was for an increase of troops in Iraq, not an increase in the overall troop level of the Armed Forces. With everyone blathering how the 'general was right', I still hold reservations whether such an increase that early would have been effective and viable, given the war objectives at the time and the number of troops available. It might even have made matters worse.
Posted by: Pappy   2007-09-17 21:17  

#12  You mean the Webb amendment is not to enlarge the military to sufficient size to give the boys more time off?

Looks like I'm going to have to write my Senator again!
Posted by: Bobby   2007-09-17 16:53  

#11  Jackal #7, You hit the nail right on the head, but remember; the last person in the ranks to seriously advise such a concept, was drummed out the Corps. Hmmm...General Shenseki!

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Hayden_052104,00.html
Posted by: smn   2007-09-17 16:03  

#10  Bush II is not actually a lame duck; he's merely finishing his second term in office. A lame duck is someone who has lost a bid for re-election; between the time he lost the election and the time he is scheduled to leave office, he is a lame duck. See, e.g., Carter & Bush I.

On a more personal note, Carter was a lame duck between the time he (Gott sei dank!) lost his reelection bid and the time Reagan took office. Ever since Reagan took office, Carter has been just lame. (Not that he wasn't before....)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-09-17 15:54  

#9  You must not be american, the phrase is "Lame Duck", not "Lamed Duck".
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-09-17 15:22  

#8  Frank G #4, by 'boot out' I'm suggesting a shocking mandated upset by the electorate of the Republican candidates to keep the office. I know "W" is a 'Lamed Duck', which makes his remaining decisions iron-clad in significance, and Gates can only 'piss in the wind' because of it!
Posted by: smn   2007-09-17 14:11  

#7  I don't suppose anyone's ever considered actually recruiting more troops.

Sure, it would take a while. That's why we should hurry.
Posted by: Jackal   2007-09-17 11:21  

#6  What does Webb think the military has become - like oil workers on the platforms in the gulf? 28 days on and 28 off - free airfare home? Of course, we are over extended and the Marines are showing it with their 7 in 5 out. But if we had some friendly R&R bases nearby (Goa, Maldives, Seychelles, etc.) we could do that every 3 months for the grunts.
Posted by: Jack is Back!   2007-09-17 09:45  

#5  So Roby is now 'crackin that whip' and doesn't want our boys to have time off for their families or a respite from that hellhole that is Iraq!

No, it's not that he doesn't "want our 'boys' to have time off for their families from that hellhole that is Iraq". They get time off already. What he doesn't want is a Congress doing a de facto cut in the number of troops available.

The bill would require that troops deployed for, say, six months, would get six months mandatory time at home. Since deployments are often for 10 months (Marines), that means units would be unavailable for deployment for 10 months. Meaning if another surge is required, or an immediate deployment elsewhere, there is a much-lessened list of units to draw from.

Since Congress has seen fit not to increase the troop levels, this is a transparent attempt to control how the Long War will be fought.
Posted by: Pappy   2007-09-17 09:40  

#4  smn - you're consistently an idiot. Is "W booted out on November 7th"? No. He's term-limited out in January the next year. Apparently you are unfamiliar with the American political system, aren't you?
Posted by: Frank G   2007-09-17 08:19  

#3  This congress wants to force a drawdown in a manner where our troops are being shot at as they leave.
They want to upset the process no matter what. They are traitors.

This congress will not survive this surrender.
Posted by: newc   2007-09-17 05:03  

#2  IOW, 'tis Washington-speak for US is indeed anctipating a US-Iran conflict before 2008, US needs to maintain high troop levels.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-09-17 04:24  

#1  So Roby is now 'crackin that whip' and doesn't want our boys to have time off for their families or a respite from that hellhole that is Iraq! Not entirely unexpected though, holding that line is a direct order by "W" and facing the option of resigning or taking that paycheck for another 13 months; I'd take it too! I'm pretty sure the University is keeping his 'seat' warm, for his graceful retreat when "W" is booted out on November 7th next year!!!
Posted by: smn   2007-09-17 01:35  

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