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Home Front: Politix
Democrat Proposes Making Withdrawal Date Secret
2007-03-27
Brig. General Wormer: "Iraqis to be put on Double Secret Probation"...YJCMTSU...with Leaky Leahy and Chuckles Schumer and a presidential campaign involved, along with Baghdad Jim, how many nanoseconds would it be "secret"?
Only Congress, White House and Iraqi Government Would Know Plan
ooooooh!
In one of the more unusual proposals to emerge in the Senate debate on Iraq withdrawal, Sen. Mark Pryor wants to keep any plans for bringing troops home a secret.
"so we can't suffer the consequences for our actions - til after the elections"
The Arkansas Democrat is a key holdout on his party's proposal to approve $122 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan while setting a goal of March 31, 2008, for winding up military operations in Iraq. Unlike the plan's Republican opponents, Pryor wants a withdrawal deadline of some kind. He just doesn't want anyone outside the White House, Congress and the Iraqi government to know what it is.
see snark above
"My strong preference would be to have a classified plan and a classified timetable that should be shared with Congress," Pryor said yesterday. A public deadline would tip off the enemy, "who might just bide their time and wait for us to leave," he said. "Then you'd have chaos and mayhem and instability."
NO! D'ya think??
Pryor said a classified plan would be provided by the president, shepherded by Senate committees and ultimately shared with Congress and Iraqi leaders. He is confident that the plan would remain secret, because Congress is entrusted with secrets "all the time."
Bwaahahaahaahahaa..stop it. You're killing me here!
What if the president's withdrawal plan didn't include a deadline? Or what if it leaked, through leaders in Iraq, to insurgents? All worth considering, Pryor said. But in the meantime, "at least you'd have a plan."
Shades of Kerry '04
Pryor and Sen. Ben Nelson (Neb.) broke with fellow Democrats earlier this month to oppose a nonbinding Senate resolution to withdraw from Iraq. Nelson has since fallen in line on the war funding bill, after nonbinding benchmarks for the Iraqi government were added.
and pork....whores
Though Democratic caucus members have expressed skepticism about Pryor's plan, he has stuck to his guns, pushing for an amendment that would require the president to supply Congress with a classified plan for stabilizing Iraq, including benchmarks for withdrawing troops, within 60 days of the enactment of the funding bill, and a progress report, also classified, every 90 days afterward.
so they become "the President's deadlines and benchmarks" when this blows up and thousands are massacred. Craven cowardice
"I've had a number of [Democrats] ask me why . . . but after I explain it they do understand where I'm coming from," Pryor said. Anyway, "This is not an opinion poll question."
anymore...
Pryor's idea reflects frustration among Democrats over finding a consequence-free way out of a war that many are sorry they backed in the first place. But some experts question the possibility of keeping what would essentially be the entire Iraq war plan under wraps.

"It's not clear that's really workable or politically satisfying for anyone," said Steven Kosiak of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a defense-related think tank. "'really dumb' pretty much covers it"

At any moment before Congress, he said, "there's tons of stuff that's classified that is technical in nature -- particulars of different weapons programs and secret acquisition programs. But this is the major policy debate in Washington right now. To have a major part of that classified would be unusual, probably unprecedented."

Unfreakinbelievable
Posted by:Frank G

#23  D ***ng it, the Dems can't do that becuz Juan Williams + Colmes, etc. hzve been adamantly insisting the Dems have been misunderstood and are actually only for ending US combat operations, not bringing [most] of the troops home or pulling out completely from the ME. THIS IS AMERIKA, D *** it, NOT AMERICA, LIFE JUST ISN'T WORTH LIVING WID OUT UNIVERSAL, PERENNIAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS-WAFFLE-ISM, FOREVER AND EVER AND EVERMORE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2007-03-27 23:06  

#22  Hell pass the bill but make the withdrawal date based on the Florida Lottery. There's a chance we might have to make a mad screaming rush for the border tomorrow, not a good chance, but a chance. It's fair and it appeals to fair play.
Posted by: Shipman   2007-03-27 18:01  

#21  Hmmm. 535 Commanders-in-Chief. That'll work well.

my first first take too last night EM.. as I was attempting to pry my lower jaw off the floor. LOL!
Posted by: RD   2007-03-27 16:24  

#20  to his credit, he acknowledges that a public deadline would be useful to the insurgents, and damaging to us. Hes right about that. And willing to say it despite the opinion polls and other political pressures.

Hes also right that pressure does need to be applied to the Maliki govt to do the right thing.
That he doesnt trust the admin to do that, is at least understandable.

OTOH in the past secret stuff before congress is usually confined to a single committee, like intell, or def appropriations, NOT shared among all 535 members. And in the exec branch, how could you keep to the WH, and not share with DoD, State, CIA, etc? And how far would it spread in Malikis govt? So I dont think this would particularly work.

And Id be against it anyway, as I think theres a real possibility that Maliki could meet all the benchmarks, and still not be ready for a US withdrawl in 2008.


But, while i dont support the plan, I can respect Pryors attempt to find a solution.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2007-03-27 15:42  

#19  I can help: the most secret decision is one that hasn't been made. There. Even the NYT wouldn't be able to leak that; they'd denounce Bush for not having made a decision.

Just fund the War, let POTUS run it, don't raise taxes, reduce pork, de-fund aid to foreign tyrants, vote to leave the UN, and quit turning health care into Soviet hell.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2007-03-27 13:34  

#18  #10 - plainslow - it'll hurt if he ever makes the connection.

Isn't that cognitive dissonance?
Posted by: Bobby   2007-03-27 11:51  

#17  The departure date of the Democrat Congressional majority is no longer secret: Jan 2009.
Posted by: RWV   2007-03-27 11:30  

#16  Bin Laden, "ya, that will work."

Posted by: Icerigger   2007-03-27 11:24  

#15  Interesting blog post, plainslow. Approval for the war in Iraq up from 30% in February to 40% last week, and the number who think going in was a good idea up while the number who think it a bad idea dropped -- very encouraging!
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-03-27 10:12  

#14  tu - I think that quote is attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who knew a thing or two about what happens when a 'secret' gets out.
Posted by: Procopius2k   2007-03-27 09:33  

#13  Yeah... that'll work. And the NYT will publish the date the minute it becomes law....
Posted by: CrazyFool   2007-03-27 09:25  

#12  Just when I think that the democrats in congress can't get any more idiotic....
Posted by: DarthVader   2007-03-27 09:22  

#11  Sure. Whenever I'd want to keep a secret, I'd entrust it to a congressman. Or the Iraqi government.
What was that sign over the door at British intelligence? "Two men can keep a secret if one of them is dead"?
Posted by: tu3031   2007-03-27 09:11  

#10  ""who might just bide their time and wait for us to leave," he said. "
George Bush may be right? Man, I bet that hurt.
Posted by: plainslow   2007-03-27 08:26  

#9  These nuts have to think of something. Could things may be changing and they are'nt sure how long they will have the upper hand.
http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2007/03/from_rock_botto.html
Too soon to tell I know. But I want us to win.
Posted by: plainslow   2007-03-27 08:24  

#8  Hmmm. 535 Commanders-in-Chief. That'll work well.
Posted by: Seafarious   2007-03-27 07:36  

#7  This stuff is just so infantile but J.Q.P. will just accept it as a good thing.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2007-03-27 07:26  

#6  Just when you think it can't get any sillier....
Posted by: Bobby   2007-03-27 07:18  

#5  I dunno. Wait and see if he sets fire to himself.
Posted by: Fred   2007-03-27 07:15  

#4  Sen. Mark Pryor......any relation to Richard? 'cuz this is damn funny.....
Posted by: Broadhead6 in Iraq   2007-03-27 07:03  

#3  Even these guys think it's stupid!
Posted by: gorb   2007-03-27 06:42  

#2  Dear God... the fool is serious, isn't he?

We've got exactly ZERO chance of prevailing in this war against Islamic totalitarianism-- or any other war, for that matter-- so long as these liberal morons are running around loose.

Posted by: Dave D.   2007-03-27 06:31  

#1  for fun and extra credit: read the comments at the WaPo link
Posted by: Frank G   2007-03-27 06:18  

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