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2023-12-17 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Initial IDF probe: 3 hostages were shirtless, waving white flag when troops shot them

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Posted by trailing wife 2023-12-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [18 views ] Top
File under: Hamas

#1 A day before that 9 IDF soldiers were killed by a suicide boomer - the odds he got close enough are by pretending to surrender. That would make me trigger happy. Day after, three hostages, miraculously managed to escape only to be shoot by IDF.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-17 01:46|| 2023-12-17 01:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Confirmation bias. When you are convinced that the enemy is subhuman, why bother doing anything but shooting the ones foolish enough to show themselves. Trying to surrender is just another Gazan trick.

Posted by Ulimble Forkbeard2690 2023-12-17 05:39|| 2023-12-17 05:39|| Front Page Top

#3 ^ worked both ways in the Pacific '41-'45. It's called war. Has been since they started making records and before.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-12-17 08:08|| 2023-12-17 08:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Am I the only one to notice that they were shot because the IDF mistook them for Gazan civilians?

Posted by Phugum Uluth9531 2023-12-17 11:00|| 2023-12-17 11:00|| Front Page Top

#5 ^ that's the point in the convention to wearing uniforms or clear display of combatant status. Hamas doesn't. Thus they created the situation by their actions. However, don't let Hama's violation of the convention stop you from blaming the other side for such events.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-12-17 11:16|| 2023-12-17 11:16|| Front Page Top

#6 You're the only one who thinks Gaza has civilians.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-17 11:21|| 2023-12-17 11:21|| Front Page Top

#7 We are going to see this spun in all sorts of ways, mostly those that make Netanyahu and the IDF look bad.

Can you really call it confirmation bias when you are working in an environment where nearly everyone and every thing you come across is trying to kill you?
"Oh, look! Some poor child dropped this cute pink teddy bear that *BOOM*." Oopsie! Your dead.
"Don't shoot! Don't shoot! I am innocent Palestin*BOOM*" Oopsie! You and your 3 buddies are dead.

In a high-stress environment, people make mistakes. I wish it were otherwise, but it is not.

Posted by SteveS 2023-12-17 11:30|| 2023-12-17 11:30|| Front Page Top

#8 #6 here you go.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-12-17 14:02|| 2023-12-17 14:02|| Front Page Top

#9 ^😉

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-17 15:06|| 2023-12-17 15:06|| Front Page Top

#10 From the look of it at the present the mistakes are not justifiable. It maybe even murder.

Of course the fact that more than thousand Palestinians surrendered including hundreds of Hamas it also means that this is not policy.

Posted by Spomonter Speaking for Boskone8031 2023-12-17 20:36|| 2023-12-17 20:36|| Front Page Top

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