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2022-12-04 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
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The West again spoke about negotiations on Ukraine
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Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Alexey Vitvitsky
[RIA] Opponents of Russia are constantly talking about negotiations over Ukraine, but in recent days the differences in the approaches of the West and Kyiv have become more noticeable.
In Kiev, they not only reject the idea of negotiations, they argue about when the conditions are ripe for them: after Ukraine takes Lugansk and Donetsk, or is it better to wait for the return of Crimea. There are, however, those who call any negotiations with "barbarians" unworthy:
"They just need to be destroyed so that they cease to exist as a country within the boundaries in which they exist. Because today Russia is one of the few countries that has colonies on its territory, which has destroyed a huge number of peoples, languages, cultures, traditions."
These words of the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov are very revealing: a Russian person not only declares that he is not Russian, but also says that Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia, which "constantly steals someone's history."
"You are Muscovy, which was on its own territory, you are thieves who constantly stole someone's history, you constantly demand something, but you are not worthy that anyone in the world would communicate with you at all ... In general, I think that Putin and Hitler are Siamese twins, only one was born a little later."
The bravado of the Kiev mankurts
| ...from a novel published in the Soviet Union in 1980, a mankurt was originally a zombified prisoner of war. The word evolved thereafter to mean an ethnic Soviet citizen who has lost connection to their non-Russian heritage... |
is understandable - so much has been said and done on the path of abandoning their own identity that there is nowhere to retreat: Europe is behind, into which they wanted to bring the entire Independent. It did not work out - and it will never work out again, so you have to rely only on the destruction of Russia.
Naturally, with the help of the West, which should not only increase military assistance to Kiev, but also not think about any compromises with Moscow . The West, in principle, agrees, but, as they say, there is a nuance.
The West is ready for negotiations, but they want to conduct them from a position of strength, that is, to be sure that they have defended Ukraine's independence from Russia and ensured that it belongs to the Western world. As NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg said the other day: "If we allow Putin to win, we will all pay an even higher price for many, many years to come."
“We know that most wars end at the negotiating table. But what happens at the negotiating table is directly related to what happens on the battlefield. Therefore, in order to create the conditions for a lasting peace, we must make sure that Ukraine wins as a sovereign independent state. We must continue to provide military support to Ukraine."
The idea that Russia's victory can provide "conditions for a lasting peace" is categorically unacceptable for the West, or rather, they pretend that they don't even imagine such an outcome. US President Biden said so bluntly on Thursday:
"The idea that Putin will ever win in Ukraine is unacceptable. It cannot be allowed! Even imagine that he could occupy this country in the next few years."
Therefore, the States will provide assistance to Kiev as much as necessary, Biden said at a press conference with French President Macron who visited Washington. The French idea of creating an international tribunal to try Russia has received support in Washington: Biden and Macron "are determined to hold Russia and Putin accountable for the war with Ukraine" and, do not be surprised, "the rest of the world." What kind of negotiations can we talk about then?
But the fact of the matter is that Biden's words quoted above are taken from his answer to the question about the terms of the peace talks - in the rest of the answer, the US president set conditions and talked about "Putin's mistakes":
“Putin has to get out of Ukraine – that’s number one. He’s not going to do it yet. He pays a very high price for not doing it. But I don’t have a plan to go to Putin. there is an interest on the other side to end this war, but so far he has not shown such an interest.If so, then in consultation with the allies, I am ready to discuss with Putin what he has in mind ...
He miscalculated in everything: he thought that he would be welcomed there with open arms by the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine (read his speeches before the invasion). He imagined himself to be the next Peter I, he called Kiev "the mother of Russian cities," there is a Russian identity and so on - he miscalculated everything. The question is, how does he get out of this? If he is ready to discuss something, fine, I am ready, but in consultation with my allies. I won't do it on my own."
That is, Washington pretends that Putin is in a weak position and does not know how to get out of it, and the States will simply wait until Moscow is ripe for negotiations on "saving face," and then "graciously deign."
The main condition is indicated - the withdrawal of troops from the territory of Ukraine, which means not only the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions , but also the DPR with the LPR, although with regard to the latter, the States, of course, will be ready to compromise. Against the backdrop of Kyiv's position, this is presented as a constructive approach - and calls from European leaders to Putin are already beginning.
On Friday, Scholz called - the German chancellor "called on the Russian president to come to a diplomatic solution as soon as possible, including the withdrawal of Russian troops," the French president will also talk about this, urging Putin to negotiate. At the same time, Macron publicly repeats the same thing as Biden and all other Western leaders:
"We will never force or encourage Ukraine to make a compromise that does not suit them. They are so brave, so serious and dedicated to defending their homeland that we must understand that if we want a sustainable peace, we must allow Ukraine to hold negotiations on the terms that suit Ukraine."
So what is the West counting on, simultaneously pumping the topic of negotiations with "weak Putin," and assuring that the negotiations will go only according to the Ukrainian scenario, and threatening Russia with a tribunal and confiscation of frozen assets? What kind of tactic is this? They believe that this is the method of "carrot and stick" - and in the role of "carrot" there are negotiations. Which are so needed by Moscow and "Putin, who has found himself in a dead end."
That is, the difference in the approaches of Kyiv and the West lies in the fact that the Ukrainian authorities act as an evil investigator, while the European ones act as a good one: some demand to "finish off the reptile", while others talk about the possibility of a compromise with the "new Hitler" if he comes to his senses and back off.
Scholz even said the other day that "we can return to the peaceful order that worked and make it safe again if Russia also shows a willingness to return to such a peaceful order", that is, "stop trying to expand the territory of Russia by military means" and recognizes "the existence of open societies with broad views, democracies that have a completely different system of government and that attract people differently. <…> As a result, aggression does not come from EU member states and from NATO: all issues of common security can be discussed and resolved. Willingness there is to it."
That is, the problem allegedly is that Putin saw a threat to his power in the existence of a democratic and European-oriented Ukraine (this is Scholz's favorite topic, he has been repeating it for a long time) and wanted to expand the territory of Russia. And not that the western expansion to the east has gone as far as preparing for the annexation of our historical territories (what is Ukraine's accession to the EU and NATO?), which fell under the control of mankurts like Danilov? Russia should have come to terms with this? And now to negotiate with the West on its terms, that is, to recognize that Ukraine belongs not to the Russian, but to the Western world?
The problem with all Western discourse about negotiations with Russia is that they do not understand what is at stake: it seems to them that the collapse of the USSR in 1991 was a point in Russian history, after which Ukraine went to the West as a trophy. First as a buffer state on the border with Russia, and then as a potential part of the Western world.
Therefore, it will be possible to negotiate with the Russians in general and with Putin in particular, especially if Moscow is convinced that the battle for Ukraine is tantamount to a proxy war (that is, indirect) with the entire West.
But the Russian attitude to what is happening is completely different: for us, this is the restoration of the unity of our country and our people (even if a considerable part of it in Ukraine has already undergone de-Russification - this only reinforces the need to counteract the process of Ukraine’s separation from Russia), this is the elimination of a potential military threat from West (only an illiterate or a Russophobe can consider it mythical), this is the correction of one's own mistakes. This is a holy war for the right to be yourself throughout the entire space of the Russian world - from Vladivostok to Pochaev.
What and with whom should we negotiate? With the Ukrainian government, which expresses the interests of those forces that de-Russify Ukraine, and invent a history separate from Russia for it, and wish it a European (that is, someone else's) future? With European powers deprived of full-fledged sovereignty and unable to defend even their own interests? With the Anglo-Saxon elite, interested in the maximum weakening of Russia, in a guaranteed rupture of European-Russian relations, in promoting transhumanist globalization hostile to our civilization?
We have no one and nothing to negotiate on Ukraine, except ourselves.
If we allow ourselves to be convinced that “we are weak,” “we are losing,” “the whole world is against us,” “if we don’t compromise, everything will end in defeat and collapse,” then we will indeed lose everything and lose the country.
If we are confident in ourselves, in our rightness, if we learn from mistakes and correct them, if we gather our will into a fist and understand that we have no alternative to our complete and unconditional victory, but it will take a long time and hard to go to it, then everything we will succeed. And, of course, there will be negotiations with the West - later, at six o'clock in the evening after the victory.
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