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2009-10-23 Olde Tyme Religion
If our Archbishop spent less time fretting about climate change, he might notice the pope is about to mug him
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Posted by Fred 2009-10-23 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1035 views ]  Top

#1 Great in-line, Fred. Love the pics. ;-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2009-10-23 00:38||   2009-10-23 00:38|| Front Page Top

#2 Better Papism than Islam!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-10-23 02:10||   2009-10-23 02:10|| Front Page Top

#3 It's unfortunate that the writer has got the facts backwards. The Pope didn't make rules to 'lure' people away from the Anglican church. The Pope made rules to allow the acceptance of people who asked to join the Catholic Church. There's a difference, he isn't poaching, he's accomodating.
Posted by AllahHateMe 2009-10-23 08:35||   2009-10-23 08:35|| Front Page Top

#4 .. and tells us how we should respond as Christians to the moral challenges of our age.

You mean like -

Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wealth and thou shall not [use the government] to steal thy neighbor's wealth as the soci@lists do?


Thou shall not bear false witness [regardless how passionate you feel about an issue, like say, Man Made Global Warming]?

or hold people accountable for their personal behaviors like thou shall not commit adultery or murder?

Not in these days when 'rules' are not to make people feel bad about themselves. When you compromise fundamental principles what do you have to stand on? Right Newt?
Posted by Procopius2k 2009-10-23 08:49||   2009-10-23 08:49|| Front Page Top

#5 Can't the Queen just get rid of this guy?
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-10-23 11:55||   2009-10-23 11:55|| Front Page Top

#6 Thanks for bringing this up. I went on a reading spree!!!

It appears not that the pope was poaching, but that Traditional Anglicans had come begging the Roman Catholic Chruch for a path to come in as a parish or even a whole diocese and to keep their priests and most of the High Church Anglican liturgy. This has apparently been ongoing for years, since the whole gay married Bishops in the USA thing split the Anglican/Episcopal Church.

The African Bishops and conservative US Episcopals seem to be the ones asking for this and wanting it enough to start talking to the Vatican and keep talking to the vatican to hammer out an agreement.

This in its essence adds to the Latin-Rite a ne Anglican-Rite Catholic Church like the Eastern-Rite Catholic Church which will all be part of the Roman Catholic Church and adhere to central orthodoxy and the Pope and Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church, but the Anglicans like the Eastern are allowed some variance in liturgy, allowed their own (unmarried celibate) Bishops, and allows for ordaining married priests at the diocesan/parish level.

Its a specific and good outlet for Anglicans who feel trapped by the extreme leftward tilt the Church of England and liberal branches in the US have taken when they went away from Biblical and Traditional Christianity.

The problem for the Church of England is that the only places it was growing were in the places where the traditionalist and conservatives were holding out against the sinking liberalism coming from Canterbury. Once they join the Roman Catholics, the CoE will shrink in significance and size especially overseas and will likely start dying off even worse than it is now in England.

What the pope gets from this are millions of orthodox, conservative Catholics under the Anglican-Rite Catholic umbrella and a great influx of new-but-old married priests world wide. This will help the pope bring the Roman Catholic Church more into an orthodox and conservative direction and fight the liberal bishops in his ranks especially in the US.

Over all pundits seem to think it will bring new energy and unity for the Roman Catholic Church as a whole since the Eastern-Rite and Latin-Rite will see good people come in from this influx of Anglican-Rite Catholics.

Very interesting times.
Posted by M Defarge 2009-10-23 13:02||   2009-10-23 13:02|| Front Page Top

#7 I imagine she and the Pope will be discussing that sort of thing in his upcoming visit to Buckingham Palace.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-10-23 13:09||   2009-10-23 13:09|| Front Page Top

#8 (That was in response to EU further upthread).
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-10-23 13:09||   2009-10-23 13:09|| Front Page Top

#9 "Unlike some very clever men, he is no good at simplifying complex ... issues"

That's my definition of intelligence, along with predicting the future. It sounds to me like he's a self-publicist rather than brainy, and self-publicist get found out for having no "core".
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-10-23 13:47||   2009-10-23 13:47|| Front Page Top

#10 Hmm. They join our church, and maybe there might be a parish nearby that chooses to use some or all of the Book of Common Prayer.

Sounds like a win-win to this Papist....
Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2009-10-23 15:42||   2009-10-23 15:42|| Front Page Top

#11 As a lapsed Episcopalian I have viewed our sect from without for decades now, and found the liberal drift increasingly intolerable. However, I would caution some of my less removed co-religionists to view carefully the Catholic Church's leftward drift as well at the parish/dioscean level in the US.
Witness Sactuary movements for illegals and other examples of religion-politics merger a la South America soci@lism.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2009-10-23 16:46||   2009-10-23 16:46|| Front Page Top

#12 'Our' church? You mean 'we of the secular pieties'? We who are hollow souled, don't attend, don't believe and are content to let the government subsidize old buildings because they make us feel somehow connected to the past and the doctrine we disdain? That 'our'?

No worries, lotp. Those beautiful old buildings resound to the sound of the beautiful old songs composed for their fabric so much better without the bodies of congregants to unevenly absorb the sound. The St. Martin-in-the-field choir will make such recordings as will make your very heart weep to hear it, just you wait.
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2009-10-23 18:20||   2009-10-23 18:20|| Front Page Top

#13 The Economist's take on the situation:
Posted by mom 2009-10-23 18:45||   2009-10-23 18:45|| Front Page Top

#14 As the Times article noted:
"A job as a clergyman in the Church of England comes with a stipend of £22,250 and free accommodation. Catholic priests earn about £8,000, paid by their parish and topped up by a diocese where the parish cannot afford even that."
You can forget theological parlor games, this will be the real sticking issue.
Posted by tipper 2009-10-23 20:43||   2009-10-23 20:43|| Front Page Top

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