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2009-06-18 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Seafarious 2009-06-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views ] Top

#1 Has Amnesty uttered any words yet?

Posted by 3dc 2009-06-18 00:53|| 2009-06-18 00:53|| Front Page Top

#2 Both Amnesty and Obama are daring each other to go first.

Posted by ed 2009-06-18 00:57|| 2009-06-18 00:57|| Front Page Top

#3 Election is how we get all dissidents to stick their heads out.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-06-18 05:24|| 2009-06-18 05:24|| Front Page Top

#4 they keep arresting people, but the demos keep getting bigger.

Posted by liberal hawk 2009-06-18 12:39|| 2009-06-18 12:39|| Front Page Top

#5 3dc and ed

Yes actually

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/iranian-authorities-must-respect-and-nurture-debate-20090618

Posted by liberal hawk 2009-06-18 12:41|| 2009-06-18 12:41|| Front Page Top

#6 "http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/iranian-authorities-must-respect-and-nurture-debate-20090618"

LH, I laughed my ass of just at the name of the link.

"iranian-authorities-must-respect-and-nurture-debate"?! On what planet? 'Cuz it sure ain't this one.

Amnesty are clueless twits.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-06-18 13:26|| 2009-06-18 13:26|| Front Page Top

#7 Obviously an NGO cant force anyone to do anything.

Posts 1 and 2 seemed to imply Amnesty was silent.

They are not. It would be well for folks to do some easy research.

It is VERY odd to both condemn an organization for being silent, and then to laugh at them for speaking.

Posted by liberal hawk 2009-06-18 14:48|| 2009-06-18 14:48|| Front Page Top

#8 Way to take a noncommittal stand for freedom and against evil that we have seen so often and come to expect from the left. The only evil is taking a stand for liberty. "The Iranian authorities must learn to respect and nurture debate, not seek to close it down." as the mullahs order their dogs to beat and shoot demonstrators. Almost as forceful Chairman Obama's as "It is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran's leaders will be."

Guess what? The Iranian mullahs have already who the leaders will be. It's them. To paraphrase one of Obama's political idols, "Debate comes from the barrel of a gun." You listen or else.

Posted by ed 2009-06-18 15:17|| 2009-06-18 15:17|| Front Page Top

#9 The Iranian mullahs have already decided

Posted by ed 2009-06-18 15:18|| 2009-06-18 15:18|| Front Page Top

#10 O(shit) cannot ever be wrong, it'll spoil his imitation GOD stance, he's waiting to see who wins, THEN he'll declare "He was behind them all he time"

SOP

Posted by Redneck Jim 2009-06-18 16:14|| 2009-06-18 16:14|| Front Page Top

#11 "Obama's political idols"

What the f*** are you talking about? Are you claiming Obama is a Maoist? When y'all talk like this, it just makes it hard to take you seriously, y'all are as bad as Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by liberal hawk 2009-06-18 16:26|| 2009-06-18 16:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Remember who taught Barak Obama throughout his most impressionable teen years? Frank Marshall Davis, a self admitted hardline Maoist and possible baby daddy. You can bet your soon to be worthless bank account Obama was regaled in the tales of the Great Mao.

I do believe Obama is a communist at heart, whether he gravitates to Maoism or the "small c" communism of Ayers is not important. He can't openly admit it like "Uncle" Frank, but his policies show his hand. But his lifelong association, work, friendship and mentorship with hardline communists of the likes Davis, Alinsky, Wright and Ayers when no public attention was focused on him tells more of the real Obama than any Trinity United Jedi mind trick. Does that seem normal to you?

Barak Obama was steeped in communism growing up, chose to work, play and worship with communists (Marxist being the nice term) all his life and you want me believe he is some warm and fuzzy John Kennedy? Bullshit.

Posted by ed 2009-06-18 16:54|| 2009-06-18 16:54|| Front Page Top

#13 I had teachers in my teen years who were socialists, who were orthodox Jews, who were Castro admirers, who were Roman Catholics, and a guy who subbed for my English teacher who was I think, an IRA supporter.

Somehow I never became any of those things.

You are doing guilt by association, and it isnt pretty. Liberalism, including Classical Liberalism, judges people by their own words and actions.

Oh, and BTW, Marxism vs Communism is a very meaningful distinction. Marx may have written the Communist manifesto, but by 1880 Marxists were called socialists, and the word Communist was revived for followers of Leninism.

Which is not to say Obama is a Marxist. He obviously is not.

warm and fuzzy John Kennedy? If you go by guilt by association, you get non warm and fuzzy types pretty fast for JFK. Also for Gerald Ford, who at one time was associated with America Firsters. And Ronald Reagan, who was probably close to as many genuine lefties as Obama.

Posted by liberal hawk 2009-06-18 18:00|| 2009-06-18 18:00|| Front Page Top

#14 Well, let's see...nationalizing the banks, nationalizing GM, nationalizing health care...if it quacks like a duck I'm guessing it's a duck.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-06-18 18:18|| 2009-06-18 18:18|| Front Page Top

#15 Welcome back, LH. I think this is what Fred said when he posted in today's thread about civil, well reasoned discourse that "If we exclude all argument from the other side we're just chanting, not discussing."

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-06-18 18:22|| 2009-06-18 18:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Are you still close friends with them, 25 years into adulthood? Are they the god parents of your children? Did you kick off your political campaign in their house? Did they kick off your fund raising by having each member of the family, including children, contribute the maximum legal amount?

Did you seek out work with them to learn communist organizing techniques and then apply them throughout your subsequent career? Did you voluntarily go to their place each week for 23 years for indoctrination and racist diatribes?

judges people by their own words and actions.
Like nationalizing the largest industrial company in the nation? Like effectively taking control of the nation's largest banks. Like paying Brown Shirts to organize on your behalf, even through illegal means. Like accepting untraceable foreign money to fund a run run for office to implement the most massive transfer of wealth in history?

If it looks, acts and smells like a skunk, it's a skunk.

Oh look, "Socialist" Obama Sr that Jr claims to admire so much:
Obama,Sr. stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboyas Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:

1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced development plan, an important element of his attack on the governments advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

2. Obama advocated the nationalization of European and Asian owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the indigenous black population. (pp. 32 -33)

3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on the rich even up to the 100% level, arguing that, there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay (p. 30) and that, Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed. (p. 31)

4. Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of African Socialism negatively with the well-defined ideology of scientific socialism, i.e. communism. Obama views African Socialism pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only a little from the capitalist system. (p. 26)

5. Obama advocates an active rather than a passive program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28) While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. (pp. 29-30)

6. Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists. (p. 33)

7. Obama advocates government owned and operated model farms as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers. (p. 33)

8. Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a non-aligned status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China. (p. 26)

Posted by ed 2009-06-18 18:22|| 2009-06-18 18:22|| Front Page Top

#17 The left have so corrupted the language that words have have lost almost all meaning. A quick history of the leftist dialectic.
Communist -> Marxist -> Socialist -> Progressive = Commies without a Secret Police force. Spit.

Posted by ed 2009-06-18 18:27|| 2009-06-18 18:27|| Front Page Top

#18 #16 - that's a schooling, LOL

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-06-18 18:37|| 2009-06-18 18:37|| Front Page Top

#19 And who will be in charge of my daughter's (and future kids) 3 month mandatory volunteer service, and where will she have to go to serve?

And the plans to nationalize health care and agriculture?

It is good to see you again LH, don't think I'm piling on, but it took me years to unlearn the BS I was taught in public school (all the history and literature classes a kid could elective, but business and economics were scarce, logic and critical thinking unavailable except one government class - a person was cool until a person said a 4 letter word like Bush or Dole in a good way) and this was not podunk HS, but one of the crayon jewels of the state. Many of my classmates still have their heads up their arse; not saying I'm always right but can participate in a learning session rather than them toeing a coffee house line.

Posted by swksvolFF 2009-06-18 19:12|| 2009-06-18 19:12|| Front Page Top

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