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2008-01-13 Home Front: Culture Wars
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Posted by Fred 2008-01-13 10:57|| || Front Page|| [15 views ]  Top

#1 interesting history lesson, Fred. I'm not sophisticated enuf to use "fascist" in everyday conversation, and the people I know who do are complete pompous lefty assholes and Paulbots
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-01-13 11:27||   2008-01-13 11:27|| Front Page Top

#2 
...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...Given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....
--Mussolini, "What is Fascism?" 1932
Posted by Fred 2008-01-13 11:33||   2008-01-13 11:33|| Front Page Top

#3  He changed his mind at the last minute, leaving the supporters in the lurch, and ended up blowing his brains out at the grave of his mistress in Brussels.

IIRC, he left his supporters that night just to dally with that mistress. C'est la vie. C'est l'amore.
Posted by Procopius2k 2008-01-13 11:37||   2008-01-13 11:37|| Front Page Top

#4 we need a new term. Facist is close but those on the left are more fecist (feces-ist) because they are (a) full of shit and (b) are willing to doom the world to wallowing in dung if it puts them in power.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-01-13 12:16||   2008-01-13 12:16|| Front Page Top

#5 It is not a coincidence that the Roman fasces is found prominently on the reverse of the dime on which Franklin D. Roosevelt graces the obverse.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-01-13 12:43||   2008-01-13 12:43|| Front Page Top

#6 That picture?
Isn't that Patton?
Posted by Redneck Jim 2008-01-13 13:23||   2008-01-13 13:23|| Front Page Top

#7 I believe it's Mussolini, note the odd helmet. Patton wore a chrome helmet.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-01-13 13:33||   2008-01-13 13:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Look at the nose.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-01-13 13:34||   2008-01-13 13:34|| Front Page Top

#9 Doug Neidermeyer
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-01-13 13:37||   2008-01-13 13:37|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh, and:

The Fearless Leader is the prime characteristic, along with the fasces, of fascism. Fearless Leader is a Nietzschean Superman™, the Man on Horseback™ who has All the Answers™. If somebody has All the Answers™ you can relax and let him do the thinking. All you have to do is show up for parades in a clean shirt of whichever color and know the words to the Inno dei Fascisti or the Horst Wessel Lied, depending.

For an interesting look at the overlap between fascism and communism, look at the "Bolivarian" version of the two currently implemented in Venezuela.

Chavez is a classic man-on-horseback, complete with an attempted military coup in his background.

(His coup, not the ones he keeps accusing everyone else of. Interesting projection, eh?)

And he claims to take Bolivar as his inspiration and role model. One of the original "men on horseback" who tried to hold together the Republic of Gran Columbia by declaring himself dictator...

People forget that Washington became known as the Father of His Country not because of his military victories, his strategies, or even his presidency, but because when push came to shove he DIDN'T DO THAT, and resisted attempts to cause him to do that. And guess what? We managed.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-01-13 13:46||   2008-01-13 13:46|| Front Page Top

#11 I think Jim got him confused with George C. Scott, who played Patton. He could pass for G.C> Scott, but it's Mussolini.

And what's it called when you call someone else what you are, and what you claim to hate? Projection?
Posted by Bobby 2008-01-13 14:40||   2008-01-13 14:40|| Front Page Top

#12 If somebody has All the Answers™ you can relax and let him do the thinking.

St. Hillary made a remark the other day, couched in bizarre terms about guacamole and chips, about how all our problems are interrelated, and how we can solve them all at once, rather than dealing with them one at a time.

That comment strikes me as, essentially, the same as the Great Man with All The Answers -- "I can solve all your problems, if you'd just give me the keys to the kingdom".

There's a bit in the Mussolini quote that has a familiar sound to it:

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone...


Back in college, I heard a doctrinaire leftist (raised by lefty parents and never diverged from their ideology while claiming that anyone who disagreed with him was "brainwashed" by their parents, bragged about how all his summer jobs were paid under the table while demanding higher taxes, etc.) decry "dangerous individualism". Since then, I've noticed that the "rights" the left fights for are largely the inconsequential ones, while they express hostility towards the truly critical ones.

Thus, free speech for the left is about unfettered access to sexually explicit material -- while political speech is to be limited in scope, source, and content. Freedom of religion is about ensuring the purity of dogma for minority faiths, while chasing expressions of the majority's faith from the public view. Economic freedom isn't about being secure in your property and being entitled to the fruits of your labor, but rather being allowed to perform no useful service to anyone and still survive (yes, I've heard people arguing for that; it's not a strawman).

Now, I have no problem with people being free to express their opinions, preferences, and desires on matter of sex, believe that minority faiths should be secure in their practice and should not be unduly burdened, and have no issue with a system of support for those truly unable to support themselves, but I also believe that political speech is the true core of Freedom of Speech, that the majority should be allowed to express their faith, and that confiscating wealth from producers to support the purely consuming is no different than slavery.

And, routinely, I get called "fascist" by people who argue from the same position staked out by Mussolini.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2008-01-13 14:55||   2008-01-13 14:55|| Front Page Top

#13 "The Mystery of Fascism" by David Ramsey Steele talks about this as well:

http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm
Posted by E Brown 2008-01-13 15:16|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]  2008-01-13 15:16|| Front Page Top

#14 I was looking both at the White Horse, and american GI style helmet,(Can't see the pistols, long coat) I know the difference betwen George C. Scott and the real Patton, Picture is NOT Scott, that I was sure of.

Musolini Hummmm.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2008-01-13 17:50||   2008-01-13 17:50|| Front Page Top

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Posted by KBK 2008-01-13 20:04||   2008-01-13 20:04|| Front Page Top

#16 I'm about a third of the way through Liberal Fascism, and so far it's a helluva read.
Posted by Mike 2008-01-13 20:54||   2008-01-13 20:54|| Front Page Top

#17 "The symbol of fascism is the Roman fasces, a bundle of reeds"

Oh, you mean that thing on the back side of the Mercury dime?
Posted by crosspatch 2008-01-13 21:01||   2008-01-13 21:01|| Front Page Top

#18 Notice the haughty expression on the horse.
Posted by KBK 2008-01-13 22:18||   2008-01-13 22:18|| Front Page Top

#19 OTOH, compare wid WAFF.com Poster artikle > THE [Proper]ROLE OF A SUPERPOWER.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-01-13 22:51||   2008-01-13 22:51|| Front Page Top

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