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2003-08-21 Middle East

Start of the Paleo Civil War? Shanab helizapped

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Posted by Frank G 2003-08-21 10:21:47 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "Hamas has called on Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas to resign his office and leave Palestinian territory. Senior Hamas official Ismail Haniya made the call Thursday afternoon. "

Im not sure this statement alone justifies the headline - could just be words. Much as i look forward to the PA hitting the mattresses against Hamas, I'll believe it when I see it.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-8-21 10:26:00 AM|| 2003-8-21 10:26:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 They're doing scenes from "High Noon" -- Abbas 'seems' to have said "This West Bank isn't big enough for the two of us" to Hamas/IJ, and they've responded "you're right".

It remains to be seen whether Abbas is playing the Gary Cooper part, or the Grace Kelly one...

Posted by snellenr 2003-8-21 10:59:06 AM|| 2003-8-21 10:59:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Shane on you for such a bad allegory.

Posted by Shipman 2003-8-21 11:38:10 AM|| 2003-8-21 11:38:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Interesting to note that the Palestinians ADMIT that IDF strikes are against their leadership, and vows revenge AGAINST Civilians. Meanwhile, even Reuthers grudgingly admit that the IDF attacks in response to attacks against Civilians.

If people were REALLY worried about collateral damage of palestinian civilians by IDF attacks on legitimate military targets, then send 300 JDAM packages to Israel to ensure they shoot straighter...

Posted by Ptah 2003-8-21 11:50:59 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2003-8-21 11:50:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Don't insult the late Princess of Monaco like that! As I recall, she gave up her Quaker ways in the movie and kicked Aztec...

Posted by Ernest Brown 2003-8-21 12:01:04 PM|| [saturninretrograde.blogspot.com] 2003-8-21 12:01:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 They should put snipers in Gaza and the West Bank and shoot anyone in black overalls and a head band.......they should start with Arafat though..he is calling the shots.

Word on the street is that the Palestinians are essentially prisoners of these terrorist groups. The Infadata has completely destroyed the economy of the Palestinian areas. Most of the skilled workers and professionals have left to find work. Most of what that is left are blue collar types and street punks (sorta like South LA with turbans and Burkas)mostly uneducated, and unemployed.
My only criticism of the IDF on this episode is that they shoulda gone the Mossad route and done a nice little assassination with a sniper or a prostitute. Then they could have tried to make it look like a IJ job or a Hamas power struggle..and got them working on each other.
The whole thing is not about Palestine, it is about power and money and status. The terrorists are a business run by sociopaths.

Posted by SOG475 2003-8-21 12:08:14 PM|| 2003-8-21 12:08:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Mossad should start spreading disinformation that Hamas is going to target both Arafat and Abbas. See if that really jump-starts the civil war.

The US should sell Israel some globalhawks, they can circle around looking for targets of opportunity. It would be nice to pop the spiritual head of Hamas during a televised rally.

Posted by Yank 2003-8-21 12:18:04 PM|| 2003-8-21 12:18:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 LGF has photos of the obligatory Paleo Car Swarmâ¢

Posted by Frank G 2003-8-21 12:27:57 PM|| 2003-8-21 12:27:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Paging George Sherman, paging General George Sherman. We need another "march to the sea". Only this time, it's from the center of Israel to the Red Sea - south of Shaarm al Shaik.

Truthfully, this should be the last straw. There should be no more consideration, no concessions. The Israelis should say, "enough", and start herding paleos outside their borders, put up an even BIGGER wall, top it with all kinds of nasties, and build a bunker about every 1000 feet, capable of decimating a tank division at 4000 meters. There can never be a peace when one side refuses to acknowledge the other side's right to exist. Time to clean up the olive groves, using Merkavas.

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-8-21 12:58:49 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2003-8-21 12:58:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 er, uhm wasnt it William Tecumseh Sherman? or am i missing the joke?

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-8-21 1:33:31 PM|| 2003-8-21 1:33:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 The problem with the march to the see is the Pals really don't have any crops to burn, and the psych advantage or running rampant behind their front lines is missing when they have no real front lines to begin with.

Sadly enough I agree with the second part of Old Patriots post 100%. The Pals will not stop and the world could not possibly hate the Jews any more if they expelled the Pals than they do now. At least it would be a move towards stopping the killing and eventually everyone forgets (just as the world seems to have forgotten near constant Arab attempts at genocide).

George W. Bush should respond to such a move by setting up refugee camps in Iraq where (a) the US has troops to deal with troublemakers (b) the US can push towards absorbing the refugees into Arab society (c) they will be able to attempt a takeover as they did in Jordan.

Posted by Yank 2003-8-21 2:00:25 PM|| 2003-8-21 2:00:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 well the real problem with the march to the sea is well, i want to say this politely, there arent any Blacks.

Sherman showed that the South could not win a conventional war. It was widely held (see "Why the South Lost", etc) that the North did not have anything like enough troops to suppress a guerilla war on their own. The southern leaders decided to discourage a guerrilla war for independence for several reasons, but one was the virtual certain prospect that it would turn into a race war. Hard to maintain a guerilla war when a third or more of the locals are willing to fight tooth and nail for the occupiers (for a contemporary example see Mosul)

Who are the equivalents in the Pal territories?

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-8-21 2:23:53 PM|| 2003-8-21 2:23:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Who are the equivalents in the Pal territories?

Posted by snellenr 2003-8-21 4:44:45 PM|| 2003-8-21 4:44:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 "then quit hiding, pussy"

Possibly the best comment in an article ever.

Posted by flash91 2003-8-21 4:54:03 PM|| 2003-8-21 4:54:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Hard to maintain a guerilla war when a third or more of the locals are willing to fight tooth and nail for the occupiers

Huh... Never thought of it that way. Sure explains Bobby Lee's advice to the ANV.

Posted by Shipman 2003-8-21 8:00:35 PM|| 2003-8-21 8:00:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Liberalhawk... George Sherman was a character in a novel I read once - might have been Damon Knight. The guy was comic relief to the extreme. Supposedly a take-off on George Patton and William T. Sherman. The doofus couldn't tie his shoes without causing a war.

Right now, the Paleos need a heavy taste of war. The Islamofascists that make up about 2/3 of the 'Palestinians' will stop at nothing short of utter defeat or the destruction of Israel. As for the "equivalents in the Pal territories", try the very, very few Arabs who would welcome life under the banner of Israel. Right now, they can't even admit to themselves they'd prefer that - not and live past sundown.

The area's a mess, and the problems won't be solved by talking. We've had 55 years of talking and appeasement, which has done nothing but make the matters worse. It's going to take blood, death, and destruction to even "level the playing field" to where honest discussion can take place among the survivors.

Posted by Old Patriot 2003-8-21 9:44:30 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2003-8-21 9:44:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 OP - unfortunately for the innocents I have to agree with you. A lot of Paleos will have to die until this death cult is beaten back by Palestineans who want to live and prosper. Only then can they be granted a sovereign state to do as they will. Israel's not going away, and if the Paleo, Iranian, Soddy, Syrian, Lebanese bastards acting tough want to find out, I'm afraid they will....mushroom clouds over Mecca, Medina, then Qom, Damascus, Bekaa, Riyadh.... The jews should never be underestimated in their will to survive and succeed over the 7th century arabs trying to defeat them. They will not go quietly, nor should they IMHO
Tehran.....

Posted by Frank G 2003-8-21 10:33:22 PM|| 2003-8-21 10:33:22 PM|| Front Page Top

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