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2005-08-07 Britain

Critics warn new anti-terror plans could alienate British Muslims

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Posted by Fred 2005-08-07 10:13|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Some wit should propose that all British clerics be licensed, pointing out that CofE, Catholic, and Jewish clerics are licensed already. Remember that being "clergy" entails a lot more than preaching a sermon. Most of it is financial, managerial, counseling, etc., all of which are generally licensed in the secular world. This would, of course, result in the immediate arrest of clerics involved in unlawful use of monies provided to them.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-07 10:37|| 2005-08-07 10:37|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought they were already alienated by their own choice....

Posted by mmurray821 2005-08-07 10:39|| 2005-08-07 10:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Ok, apart from the usual BS of alienation, there's one thing that really ticks me off - this 1.8 million muslims (last I heard it was 1.6 million, it seems to fluctuate all the time).

Check this out from the 2001 Census.

Indian - 1.05 million, Pakistani - 747k, Bangladeshi - 283k, other asian - 247k. Mixed race is about 670k.

Now the stats say that 90% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are Muslim, with about 10% of the Indians as well. Mixed race is about 10% Muslim, so that makes 1.2 million max. So where's the other 600k from?

Now there are lies, damn lies and statistics, but I'd rather believe them than the words of a politician who is a well known as a profligate opportunist.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-08-07 11:15|| 2005-08-07 11:15|| Front Page Top

Critics warn new anti-terror plans could alienate British Muslims

One can only hope!

Enough to leave, maybe?

(Nah, I didn't think so either.)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2005-08-07 11:18|| http://www.ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://www.ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2005-08-07 11:18|| Front Page Top

#5 Simple solution: have those alienated Muslims become Pakistani Muslims, living in Pakistan of course and problem solved.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-08-07 11:28|| 2005-08-07 11:28|| Front Page Top

#6 I seem to recall in the British census that a large number of Britons declared their religion to be "Jedi". Would that count as Islamic?

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-08-07 11:29|| 2005-08-07 11:29|| Front Page Top

#7 As distinc from the situation now?

Posted by gromgoru 2005-08-07 12:06|| 2005-08-07 12:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Problem is that "Pakistani Muslims" would want a "pure" state of their own within the United Kingdom.

This is the very ethos of Pakistan.

Read the article by MJ Ackbar in the opinion thread.

Posted by john 2005-08-07 12:24|| 2005-08-07 12:24|| Front Page Top

#9 Tony, what about Somalis, Algerians, Arabs, ???

Posted by leader of the pack 2005-08-07 12:59|| 2005-08-07 12:59|| Front Page Top

#10 LotP - the stats page shows 'Other' as 230k, which should include all the ones you've mentioned. I don't think we have many Algerians here, but I could be wrong.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-08-07 13:04|| 2005-08-07 13:04|| Front Page Top

#11 And of course JFM has nailed it in one.

We ought to set a book up on the first European country to start mass deportations - my money is on the Netherlands, but with the article on 'The Left' in Germany, it could be them...

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-08-07 13:07|| 2005-08-07 13:07|| Front Page Top

#12 This is no different from our own internal problems with illegal immigrants. Most are willing to work hard, obey most of the laws of our nation, and don't cause problems. There's a minority that a) want to live on welfare, b) want to "return the Mexican territory to its legitimate owners", or c) want to deal drugs, commit crimes, and prey on society. We should keep the a crowd, and deport or exterminate the b and c crowd. The problem is, the liberal left want to lump ALL illegal immigrants under one umbrella, and force us to keep them all. The same is true with Muslims.

The things the left forgets is that the laws of a nation are there to protect the law-abiding, flag-waving, nation-loving people, not the rabble. If you don't enforce your laws, they become meaningless. As far as "alienating" the "good" Muslims, if they're offended by the police cracking down on the rabble, then they're part of the problem, and deserve the same treatment. We might want to also consider deporting some of the loony left that can't understand that.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-08-07 13:44|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-07 13:44|| Front Page Top

#13 Let me correct myself - PIMF! We should keep the hard-working, and deport a, b, and c. Not enough coffee yet this morning...

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-08-07 13:49|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-07 13:49|| Front Page Top

#14 OP wrote, "The things the left forgets is that the laws of a nation are there to protect the law-abiding, flag-waving, nation-loving people, not the rabble. If you don't enforce your laws, they become meaningless."

1. In the Left's view, everyone except themselves, especially patriotic..., are rabble.

2. They HOPE to make the laws that support our national identity meaningless.

Ergo, the Left has not forgotten.

Posted by SR-71">SR-71 2005-08-07 14:39|| 2005-08-07 14:39|| Front Page Top

#15 alienate British Muslims ? who gives a sh##.
throw them out allready

Posted by Viking 2005-08-07 15:13|| 2005-08-07 15:13|| Front Page Top

#16 I read the "Have Your Say" at the BBC on this topic just as it was starting. There were plenty of Muslims there saying "It's about time!", "deport the bastards", "too little to late", "I am a British Muslim, send these nut jobs packing." No one seems to need to hit these folks with a clue bat.

Do I see some major under reporting of this sentiment has gone on in the UK press perhaps? If so then how about the US press? Apparently some Muslims have been warning the UK government, for years in fact. I wonder if the US government has done the same, because they âare the wrong peopleâ as in, not CAIR. Is it the same in the US as the UK? If it is, who's invisible hand is at work in the press? That "moderate Muslim" may not be a fictional being at all. They may just be getting ignored or misrepresented. Topic we have and will continue to debate here.

I still am taking a wait and see attitude to find out if Blair will deliver.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-08-07 17:04|| 2005-08-07 17:04|| Front Page Top

#17 Ah shucks! And they were assimilating so well too....

Sorry OP, I have to disagree with you on that one. I have no problem keeping the LEGAL immigrants - they have shown their resilance and real desire to become part of the United States.

I draw the line at ILLEGAL aliens. By defintion they are here in violation of Federal law. Yes they may be 'law abiding' (now) and peaceful, just want to work and earn a wage, and the like. If they want to stay here they should have to go through the same process as anyone else desiring to come here legally fron anyone else - England, Philippines, Japan, Russa, India, etc... They should not get special treatment.

We should *never* reward them for breaking the law . We tried that and it only encourage more illegal aliens.

If we need the workforce then change the law to allow more LEGAL immigration. This will both filter the immigrants (background checks, medical checks, etc...), protect immigrants from those who would exploit their status (slave wages, etc..), and increase the value of 'U.S. citizenship'.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-08-07 17:14|| 2005-08-07 17:14|| Front Page Top

#18 It would be nice to believe that SPoD, but I simply don't buy what comes out of the BBC anymore.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-08-07 17:18|| 2005-08-07 17:18|| Front Page Top

#19 Hell I wish we would do that here stateside! Our country needs to rid itself of the terrorists too.
I don't feel that you should give in to the muslims to be politically correct on this. It's more important to be safe.
I like Blair's earlier comment, if you don't like it here leave.
CFool, I agree.

Posted by Jan 2005-08-07 17:52|| 2005-08-07 17:52|| Front Page Top

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