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2003-05-19 Middle East

And Again, the Paleos Keep Begging for the Mother of All Smackdowns

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Posted by Scooter McGruder 2003-05-19 10:05 am|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 And the UN is outraged - OUTRAGED - and immediately passed a resolution condemning... err, no they didn't.

...sure they did. Mind you, it was a resolution against Israel...

Hope the bloody c*nt enjoys her 72 raisins.

Or, in a case of poetic justice, and if the reward were actually the virgins and not grapes... Imagine the pleasure she'd receive being locked in a room for all eternity with 72 horny martyred boys. Picture it:
72 boys,
all 19 or younger
raging, suppressed hormones,
no experience in being with a woman... EVER,
finally being granted their eternal reward.

Gang "you-know-what" for all eternity. That would be a fitting reward.

Lucky for her, it'll just be the grapes. hope she can make 'em last though. Etermity is a loooong time

Posted by Dripping sarcasm 2003-05-19 10:32:32|| 2003-05-19 10:32:32|| Front Page Top

#2 unfortunately as I read all these reports of bombings and Israeli deaths, I am getting this uncomplimentary pictures of Isrealis with sheep heads, or bison heads. It seems such easy killing. the Israelis just look and seem to go about business as usual. to me the reaction of the Israelis is frightening. not the government, but the regular people there seem to not mind being blown up. where is the outrage and action of a people who have had enough and to hell with their government?

Posted by Carolyn Brown 2003-05-19 11:12:27|| 2003-05-19 11:12:27|| Front Page Top

#3 I'll reply to question with one of my own. who are the sheep here? Where is the common sense of the people who would rather blow themselves up, and maim and murder as many of the "enemy" non-combatants as possible than turn their obviously considerable will and determination to a more constructive and civilized solution. The sheep are not the Israelis, who, in the affirmation of life in the face of such hideous tactics, choose to live rather than cower, or blame a government that is neither the cause nor source of the violent attacks. The anti-Israeli, and before 1948, anti-Jewish intimidation has existed throughout every government, no matter what their view on the "peace process" was. That's because when you get right down to it, that wonderful, Nobel Laureate, Arafat has never removed the clause from the original Palestinian charter stating the clear desire of the complete elimination of the Jewish presence, from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.

As to your question , "where is the outrage and action of a people who have had enough and to hell with their government? Maybe the Israelis aren't as "fed up" with their government as the regular media would have one believe. Sure there are large peace protests and demonstrations (incidentally, where are the large demonstrations of their counterparts in the Arab countries) but if all you read was the front page of the New York Times (who obviously hires only responsible reporters) several weeks back, you would have seen photos of tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of anti war protestors, but somehow, all the polls showed a large majority of Americans actually backed the miltary action in Iraq. The left leaning media wanted desperately to "make it not so", and besides, pictures of large crowds protesting -maybe wrestling with police sell papers, not pie charts and bar graphs describing polling results.

No reasonable person wants war, and if the Israelis could have it any other way, believe me, they would opt for it. But what you see as sheep allowing themselves to be led to the slaughter, are actually people who have for the large part finally sobered up and accepted the fact that no matter what they do, their neighbors do not want peace and friendship, they want only the complete elimination of the state of Israel

Posted by Dripping sarcasm 2003-05-19 12:54:06|| 2003-05-19 12:54:06|| Front Page Top

#4 Dripping Sarcasm- are you saying the the"nobody loves me, everybody hates me" is not ingrained in to the Jewish psyche? of coursse it is. they have dealt with that mentality all of their long history. do you believe that the withdrawing into ghettos, being herded onto train cars and millions being gassed, is the norm for the Jewish people, and the short time of defiance and courage it took to carve a state of Israel is an abberation for the Jewiash people?

Posted by Carolyn Brown 2003-05-19 13:30:25|| 2003-05-19 13:30:25|| Front Page Top

#5 Carolyn, I think he's saying they have become a little fatalistic and desensitized. One can't stop living... There will come a point where the Paleos will commit attacks and crimes so horrific that there will be no restraint shown and the "militants" will get their maryrdom....I don't think they know what an unrestrained IDF can/will do when their survival is on the line UN/EU/Arab League denunciations will mean nothing

Posted by Frank G 2003-05-19 15:04:06|| 2003-05-19 15:04:06|| Front Page Top

#6 So "nobody loves me, everybody hates me" explains why Israelis do "not mind being blown up"? Like, gee, that tickles?

They are going about business as usual the way Londoners did during the Blitz. The outrage is mostly directed at the bombers. The alternative is for all the Israelis to cower and die, which is the stated goal of the bombers.

I am not all that pro-Israel and their settlement policies have weakened their case in world opinion. On the other hand, the hopeless indoctrinees with which they have to contend wouldn't care, or stop what they are doing, if there were no settlements. To them all of Israel is illegal occupation and nothing will ever change it.

So yeah, you go to work in the morning.

Posted by Mark IV 2003-05-19 15:17:56|| 2003-05-19 15:17:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Another point. Where is the separation wall? Hasn't it been many, many months since it was supposed to be on fast track? The wall wouldn't have protected against several of the latest murderers but would have against others.

Posted by mhw 2003-05-19 15:30:04|| 2003-05-19 15:30:04|| Front Page Top

#8 Carolyn - may I address your not-very-well-disguised anti-Semitism?

No, "nobody loves me" is NOT ingrained in the Jewish psyche, as I can attest as a Jew. Yes, we have dealt throughout most of our history with being hated, persecuted, etc etc. The "defiance and courage" you apparently only noticed in 1947 has in fact been present throughout our history - Masada? Maccabees? Warsaw Ghetto? hello? - and crystalized after the Holocaust into "never again."

What's going on in Israel right now among the Israeli and Jewish populations - and they are not necessarily synonymous - is exactly what went on in America after 9/11. Giving in, running scared, hedging and trimming your life to avoid all possible threats means the terrorists have won. Mark IV is right, this is the same thing Londoners did during the Blitz. To do anything else would have been an admission that the Germans were winning. To postpone my vacation after 9/11 would have been an admission that Al Qaeda could intimidate me. To stop going outside during the DC sniper shootings would have been to let two loser assholes rule my life. To stop going about one's daily life in Jerusalem would mean Arafasshat and his ilk have won.

The Israelis are not pressuring their government, or saying the hell with it, because they do not believe in "peace at any price." Yes, there are a variety of opinions within Israel, and some do value peace and the cessation of terrorist attacks more than anything else. But so far, the majority of people in Israel, and I think a majority of Jews outside Israel, adhere to "never again." The Pals, like a child having a tantrum, never seem to get the point: Stop throwing things (bombs, tantrums, etc) and THEN we'll talk.

And Mark IV is right on another point, too: the bomb-throwers will NEVER rest until there are no Jews left in "Palestine" and the state of Israel has been eradicated from the map. Would you have Israelis accept this, in order to avoid any more bombs?

Posted by Sofia 2003-05-19 16:30:15|| 2003-05-19 16:30:15|| Front Page Top

#9 Anti-semitism?! Hey, suck the foam back in your mouth, Sofia. She didn't say anything Richard Lewis hasn't portrayed.

In fact if you'd read a little closer before throwing your censorship nuke, you'd have noticed she's wondering why such a courageous people aren't demanding that more be done. She asking, 'Why aren't the rank and file rising up?'

Your statement shows your hatred more than hers.

Posted by Scott 2003-05-19 17:56:01|| 2003-05-19 17:56:01|| Front Page Top

#10 Good point mhw. I don't understand the Israelis. They don't seem to have a strategy. They are locked in this endless back and forth of tit-for-tat (as defined in game theory) -- in short a tactic and not a strategy. I don't know why they just don't go for broke, take out the Hamas and IJ leadership and then round up all the gunnies and put them in camps. Yeah, there would be the usual wave of "international condemnation," but it would pass in a year or so and everything would be back to normal. Use that year to finish building the freaking wall and start bringing in laborers from non-Islamic countries to do all of the scut work. After the wall is completed, announce a policy of "massive retaliation" and enforce it. The first katyusha that hits Israel means that Jenin is wiped off the face of the Earth: HE and incendiaries. And you know what? At that point everyone except Iran, Hezbollah, and Syria would heave a big sigh of relief and the enemy's resistance would finally be broken. And my gut feeling is that the aforementioned three wouldn't be around long after that in their current form either. Normally, I'm a big believer in diplomacy, but I don't think that diplomacy has ever failed so spectacularly. In the immortal words of Heinz Guderian, "Punch them, don't tickle them."

Posted by 11A5S 2003-05-19 19:13:30|| 2003-05-19 19:13:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Scott- thank you. you read me correctly.

Posted by Carolyn Brown 2003-05-19 20:51:52|| 2003-05-19 20:51:52|| Front Page Top

#12 Carolyn: The ol' "do something" school, eh?

Spell it out... the "outrage and action of a people who have had enough and to hell with their government" sounds like the action plan of the Global Trade protesters. Are we thinking national tantrum here?

I'm thinking that what they did was to elect the current government and entrust them to use the intel, the military, and the black ops forces to do their best. Kinda like we did.

I guess you're hinting that the average Israeli should just whip the Galil out of the closet and hose every Pal he sees, and that if enough of them do that, there won't be a problem anymore? Or there still will be, but at least they will get some respect?

Or are you saying they should march around the streets with signs, demanding Something?

How does one shed the Bison Head of Shame, in your somewhat cryptic opinion?

Posted by Mark IV 2003-05-19 22:37:06|| 2003-05-19 22:37:06|| Front Page Top

#13 They don't seem to have a strategy. They are locked in this endless back and forth of tit-for-tat (as defined in game theory) -- in short a tactic and not a strategy.

The U.S. tried something like that once, in a faraway place called Vietnam. Look what happened....

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-05-19 23:36:11|| 2003-05-19 23:36:11|| Front Page Top

#14 Carolyn,
good question.
Yes, I do mind being blown up! and No, I dont have a ship's head on my shoulders.
Don't look at the short term stuff, look at the overall trend.
I myself am a former Labor(center-left) voter who supported Rabin and Ehud Barak's peace efforts. After the intifada began I reconsidered my set of views and I voted for Ariel Sharon because of the hard facts and the realization that deep down there the paleo's have not abandoned their hope of destroying us. I also know that many people in the voter base have undergone a similar shift.
The steam is building up within the country now. It may seem that we collectively have resigned to being butchered but dont underestimate us. What the palestinians don't realize is that by what they are doing now (and particularely by the thunderous silence and lack of action of any peace supporting paleos, if they ever existed) they are permanently and maybe irretrievably eroding any support for their cause within the israely population.
I, as most israelis, hate the idea of massive indiscriminate retaliation because it is barbaric. However, when the situation deteriorates further and further and when the moment comes that we finally realize that our economic and personal survival is on the brink,some drastic measures will be taken.
I believe we are very close to the realization that a second palestinian "Nakba" may be imperative, if israel is to survive.
maybe tit-for-tat is not enough anymore ?
maybe its time for brute force actions and the hell with the UN/EP aligator tears, and the Bush roadmap.
I hope I dont have to wake up to the news of a neutron bomb dropped on Ramallah, but who knows what the future holds?

Posted by Lihu 2003-05-20 02:45:34|| 2003-05-20 02:45:34|| Front Page Top

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