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2025-01-23 Afghanistan

Trump’s refugee ban leaves 2,000 Afghan allies in limbo: Refugee Support Organization

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Posted by trailing wife 2025-01-23 2025-01-23 00:42|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ] Top

#1 The Afghanistan engagement was at best an amoral, realpolitik based temporary engagement with an "enemy-of-my-enemy."

This engagement ultimately ended in catastrophic failure and dangerously weakened Western deterrence.

Afghans who were in allegiance with the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan cannot logically be allies of Western nations since the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was a hostile and evil entity.

"Liberated Afghanistan's" redeeming quality was the more passive nature of its aggression compared to the Taliban, but in absolute terms its rejection of peaceful coexistence with Western nations made it an entity that was officially more hostile than the post-Stalin Soviet Union.

The West owes Afghanistan and the Afghan people nothing.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-01-23 05:37|| 2025-01-23 05:37|| Front Page Top

#2 ^The question, IMO, "Can Afghans integrate into American society?".

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-01-23 06:05|| 2025-01-23 06:05|| Front Page Top

#3 ...Afghan migrant behind fatal stabbing attack killing a child and a man in Germany

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-01-23 06:14|| 2025-01-23 06:14|| Front Page Top

#4 From '01 to '21 the Afghans let us know in no uncertain terms that they not only rejected Western style freedom in Afghanistan but that they also wanted to abolish Western civilization globally.

The Afghans coming to the West see themselves as conquerors and subjugators, and any Western polity would be suicidally foolish to allow Afghan immigration.

The average Afghan might only have born limited responsibility for 9/11.

This could justify abstaining from collective punishment of Afghanistan as a whole, but it would be no justification for any form of collective reward.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-01-23 07:02|| 2025-01-23 07:02|| Front Page Top

/\ Some cultures are simply incompatible with Western civilization and should not be disturbed. Afghanistan is one such culture.

Posted by Besoeker 2025-01-23 07:30|| 2025-01-23 07:30|| Front Page Top

#6 There are individuals who believe in the West and honestly tried to help us defeat the jihadis, and they and their families are at risk from the Taliban. There are plenty more who took advantage of the good paycheck. They’re also at risk from the Taliban unless they secretly helped the other side, which many did.

There are some ugly moral questions here. But regardless, we owe it to them and ourselves to make a decision about how we’re going to handle the situation so these people can get on with their lives, one way or another.

Posted by trailing wife 2025-01-23 09:51|| 2025-01-23 09:51|| Front Page Top

#7 Like Iran, Afghanistan has had Western-Civilization-compatible societies in the past, so there is hope that such could return, but 'we' can't impose it on them.

Posted by Glenmore 2025-01-23 11:29|| 2025-01-23 11:29|| Front Page Top

#8 ^No. They were just pretending.

Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-01-23 11:37|| 2025-01-23 11:37|| Front Page Top

#9 Limbo is a village in Afghanistan.

Posted by swksvolFF 2025-01-23 11:57|| 2025-01-23 11:57|| Front Page Top

#10 I actually don't see complicated moral questions here.

The Afghans have shown us who they are during the time of the Islamic Republic 2001-2021.

From our point of view the Islamic Republic was an institutionalized murderous sociopathic abomination.

The Islamic Republic was committed to the abolition of Western civilization in the West. They didn't accept an arrangement of peaceful coexistence.

The West went into Afghanistan in the first place because of an heinous, treacherous mass fatality attack.

I do think that it was a grave mistake not to retaliate after 9/11 as this decision made sure that Western deterrence would erode, but that is a matter of judgment; opinions can differ.

I see absolutely no justification for collectively rewarding the Afghans in any way, shape or form.

There has been and there is a puzzling lack of outrage over the Afghans' disturbing and appalling behavior in Western public opinion.

Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-01-23 12:03|| 2025-01-23 12:03|| Front Page Top

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