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2022-10-25 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by badanov 2022-10-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ] Top

#1 Dear Oleg,

You people really have NO idea what you're messing with, do you?

Mike

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2022-10-25 06:36|| 2022-10-25 06:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Poland was a long established country, pre-dating Russia, that was dismembered by the Prussians, Russians and Austrians in the 1700s exploiting the country's internal divisions. It had a very brief resurrection as the Grand Duchy of Warsaw under Napoleon before being reincorporated by the Russians at the end of his wars. They rebelled in 1830 only to be crushed. They have their own distinct language, identity, and culture. Damn right when they got their opportunity they ran from the rule of St Petersburg. They would lose their sovereignty when the Nazis and Soviets, like the powers of the 18 Century, partitioned the country.

They really really want the Poles to go nuclear. As events are now transpiring, the Poles would be stupid not to.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-10-25 07:51|| 2022-10-25 07:51|| Front Page Top

#3 Fail. "The terms Poland and Poles appear for the first time in medieval chronicles of the late 10th century. "

Posted by Mercutio 2022-10-25 09:29|| 2022-10-25 09:29|| Front Page Top

#4 We owe the Polacks nothing. Protecting them from anyone is not our concern — not worth the life of even one American grunt.

Cut them loose and stop being patsies for their blackmail. They’re just dragging us into another pointless forever war. We don’t owe them anything.

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 09:37|| 2022-10-25 09:37|| Front Page Top

#5 /\ Ditto Woodrow. Attendance at this memorial should be a mandatory annual event for all Washington pols.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-25 09:41|| 2022-10-25 09:41|| Front Page Top

#6 It’s sickening to see yet another emigre minority twisting our foreign policy to suit their narrow, parochial agenda. Iraqi emigres, Kurdish emigres, Ukrainian emigres: all leading us into areas and conflicts that have fuck-all to do with Americans’ freedom ir security.

The obsessive Poles like Zbiggy “Let’s Carve Up Russia” Brzezinski and that Pole-by-marriage neoconservative twat, Anne Applebaum, are the worst.

They’re unhinged. Understandably: these people have had a sad history, but it’s not our problem to solve.

Not our problem, anymore than the Kurdish problem or the Iraqis’ problem is. Not worth another overseas intervention and yet another disastrous war.

You’re on your own, Polacks. Good bye and fare thee well

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 09:46|| 2022-10-25 09:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Casimir Pulaski is rightly honored as a Polish hero of the American Revolution. He was exiled from his homeland after a failed uprising against a foreign co-opted Polish gummint.

So, we do owe some Poles, individually. Their gummint, not so much.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-25 09:49|| 2022-10-25 09:49|| Front Page Top

#8
#4We owe the Polacks nothing. Protecting them from anyone is not our concern — not worth the life of even one American grunt.

Cut them loose and stop being patsies for their blackmail. They’re just dragging us into another pointless forever war. We don’t owe them anything.
Posted by: Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 09:37

...This 'Polack' respectfully disagrees.

And - just as respectfully - asks that we keep that sort of thing out of here. There are plenty of good reasons to argue against helping them, and I'm willing to listen to every one of them. But you aren't likely to get me to do so when I see things like that.

Mike Kozlowski

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2022-10-25 09:58|| 2022-10-25 09:58|| Front Page Top

#9 Raise a glass for Pulaski. Name a bridge after him, fine.

But no US forward bases in Poland, and no missiles either. Four European wars in one century is enough.

We can’t even handle one war now, let alone four wars across Europe, the S. China Sea, NE Asia and the Persian Gulf. Even if you believe that we have an obligation to defend Poland — we don’t — that front would still rank at the bottom of our concerns now.

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 09:59|| 2022-10-25 09:59|| Front Page Top

#10 Anne Applebaum is a formerly staid, quiet little amateur historian who married a Polish politician and morphed into a deranged, obsessive harpie urging the US to go to war with Russia.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was equally deranged, calling for us to make war in Russia so as to dismember that country. Yes, this Polish emigre wanted the US to start a war with a nuclear-armed great power with the objective of cutting it into little pieces.

This is fucking insane— and these are & have been the best educated, most articulate, high-powered pro-Polish voices in this country.

As an American, I resent the fell out of ANY emigre group — Irish, Kurdish Polish whoever — dragging our country into their little overseas quarrels. Defending Poland makes about as much sense as defending the boyos of the IRA or the terrorists of the PKK.

Not.our.problem.

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 10:08|| 2022-10-25 10:08|| Front Page Top

#11 * I resent the HELL out of ANY emigre group — Irish, Kurdish Polish whoever — dragging our country into their little overseas quarrels

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 10:09|| 2022-10-25 10:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Do we owe the Poles anything? A point for discussion. I see the problem as the US having expended so much blood and treasure on a culture (Islam) that openly despises us that we are unable to entertain such a discussion as we are no longer in a position to prosecute any war to a successful conclusion. I'm not saying we owe anyone anything - just pointing out that as of now, we're not in the position to chose.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-10-25 10:27|| 2022-10-25 10:27|| Front Page Top

#13 * I resent the HELL out of ANY emigre group — Irish, Kurdish Polish whoever — dragging our country into their little overseas quarrels

Same for that rebel Benjamin Franklin dragging France into their Anglo civil war.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-10-25 10:54|| 2022-10-25 10:54|| Front Page Top

#14 Woodrow,

Actually, I get exactly what you're referring to. A great many people feel that Poland, Ukraine and/or the Baltics aren't worth a single American dollar or - more crucially - one American life. Let me try to explain my view.

The Poles, Balts, and (to a certain extent) the Ukranians aren't what they used to be. Between World Wars 1 and 2, the Poles and Balts were far, far from enlightened Jeffersonian democracies - in fact, you can make the argument that the Poles were a military dictatorship, and the Balts were fairly authoritarian. The Ukraine - prior to WWII - was just beginning to recover from the Holodomor, a genocidal famine inflicted on them by Stalin, and then once Hitler invaded, it got worse. Sadly, a appreciable number of Ukranians took sides with the Germans, believing that they would help liberate them from the USSR...and wrong as that was, reflect for a minute on how bad it had to be to see the Wehrmacht as liberators.

All three groups learned the hard way that the Russians haven't changed since about the 10th century - they just changed the flags. The Ukranians have some pretty disturbing corruption issues, it is true, and the other groups do as well, though to the best of my knowledge not as bad, though bad enough.

And that's where some of the conflicts come into play. For better or for worse, Poland and the Balts are members of NATO, and for better or worse, we are committed to their defense if they are attacked by another state. Failure on our part to come to that defense ends NATO - full stop. And as screwed up as NATO is, it's difficult to deny that it almost certainly prevented a Third World War between '45 and '91.

And we are kind of trapped in this mess because of a failure of imagination on the part of every single pre-91 NATO country - the Soviets are gone, the millennium has arrived, and we can spend the money on something else, selah. All of us at the national leadership level refused to even consider the possibility that they'd be back.

Well, they are. And they're seriously, seriously pissed off because they couldn't take a country with maybe 10% of their land mass. Ukraine may not be honest - they may not be staunch, upright defenders of justice and Democracy - but they did not deserve what has been inflicted on them over the last eight months. And dishonest and corrupt or not, the Ukranians didn't force the Russians to invade. NATO membership would almost certainly have never happened for them otherwise - the risk was too high to have NATO units on an actual Russian border...but the Russians' offended senses have brought two NEW nations into NATO, and will give a powerful push to the Ukraine joining once this is over.

I have very, very deep concerns about potential independent actions by the Poles and the Lithuanians - both nations have very long and unpleasant memories of Russian rule, and both have the ability to put a hurt on Belarus (which in fairness has talked a good fight but stayed mostly out of the way) or the Russian enclave at Kaliningrad. Any action like that - no, I can NOT support going in to bail them out, and if those things should, God help us, come to pass, please feel free to remind me of my words. But as time goes by, and the Russians fall back a little bit more every day, the risk of the Russians panicking gets a little bit higher. We also have to conundrum that the Ukranians are entitled to every last bit of their country back (including the Crimea) but if that were to happen, the best case scenario would be a Russia itching for revenge a ways down the road. And if the Russians were to keep even a token amount of land, they get to claim a victory...and try it again a ways down the road.

I don't think there are any good options here, and I think it may well get far, far worse before it gets better. If the Russian lines were to crack badly enough, I can see them pulling out the WMDs, or worse, throwing weapons at the supply centers in Poland. They're not going to give in, and if they do an entirely Russian thing and try to burn it to the ground...we are faced with putting out the fire or letting burn.

I respect and understand your opinions, I hope I've explained mine enough that you can see my point of view even if we don't agree. If there's something that isn't clear, sing out and I'll be happy to go over it.

Best Regards,

Mike

PS - I served in the days when Mr. Brzezinski was working his voodoo at the White House. The man was a Dollar General Kissinger.

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2022-10-25 11:16|| 2022-10-25 11:16|| Front Page Top

#15 The man was a Dollar General Kissinger
LOVE that!
His daughter is a budget Dem homewrecking whore, too

Posted by Frank G 2022-10-25 11:30|| 2022-10-25 11:30|| Front Page Top

#16 Whores do it for money, Frank G; sluts do it for free.

Beautifully laid out, Mike.

As I recall, Poland has been scrimping on domestic spending to stock up on American weapons to fulfill the promises made when they joined NATO, and staffing for their military ditto. The one thing the Poles are not is free-loaders.

Nota bene: Back in the Olde Countrie, my married name would have been Wifeski. Here at Rantburg, it’s safest to assume that whatever group you’re about to call old-fashioned names has a plentiful membership among the readership.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-25 13:11|| 2022-10-25 13:11|| Front Page Top

#17 What TW said, as usual.

I stopped reading Woodrow at his first "Polack". I might have even agreed with him, unbeknownst to me. (Like he cares, I know.)

Me g-ma's maiden name was Polish for "magpie".

Posted by JHH 2022-10-25 13:26|| 2022-10-25 13:26|| Front Page Top

#18

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 13:41|| 2022-10-25 13:41|| Front Page Top

#19 Above....Matt said "good comments Mike."

I tried to say the same thing but dropped a Smokey in error. My apologies.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-25 13:45|| 2022-10-25 13:45|| Front Page Top

#20 "...dropped a Smokey" What my dog does on the back lawn early in the morning. Thanks B!

Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-10-25 14:09|| 2022-10-25 14:09|| Front Page Top

#21 #19 - B, no apology necessary -- thanks for everything you and the other mods do.

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 14:45|| 2022-10-25 14:45|| Front Page Top

#22 Whahahahaha

Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-25 15:08|| 2022-10-25 15:08|| Front Page Top

#23 ditto on all the kudos to the mods.

My dog drops smokies every morning also, I think it may help keep the bears away but not the turkeys.

Mike K gets quadruple dittos. My senior Poli Sci mentor, circa '73, was an ex-Hungarian Diplomat so we got some interesting personal insights. Maybe the Dollar Store but definitely on the clearance shelf.

Posted by AlanC 2022-10-25 15:33|| 2022-10-25 15:33|| Front Page Top

#24 Woodrow’s points are impossible to refute. We have no vital strategic interest at stake in Ukraine or Poland.

I too am sick of hearing these little special pleaders — like Chalabi, Vindman, Polish Defense Minister Sikorski’s wife etc — lie and exaggerate and push our brain-dead elites into crusades for dear ol’ Whatfuckistan.

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-25 16:16|| 2022-10-25 16:16|| Front Page Top

#25 These points of Woodrow’s are especially apt:

no US forward bases in Poland, and no missiles either. Four European wars in one century is enough.
We can’t even handle one war now, let alone four wars across Europe, the S. China Sea, NE Asia and the Persian Gulf. Even if you believe that we have an obligation to defend Poland — we don’t — that front would still rank at the bottom of our concerns now.

As the Heritage Foundation study makes clear, our military is so overstretched now, we’d get our asses kicked in any two-front war.

Maybe even a single-front war. It’s never been ranked so weak as it is now. We need to quit fucking around in Eastern Europe and fix our damned country and our military.

Heritage Foundation ranks US military as 'weak' for first time
By Cami Mondeaux
Washington Examiner
October 18, 2022

The U.S. military has grown increasingly weaker over the years and is considered at risk of not being able to respond to threats to the country’s national interests , according to new rankings of the military’s strength.

The Heritage Foundation’s 2023 Index of U.S. Military Strength found that the military is “weak” and “at growing risk of not being able to meet the demands of defending America’s vital national interests” — marking the first time in the index’s nine-year history that the country has been rated so low.

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-25 16:22|| 2022-10-25 16:22|| Front Page Top

#26 What vital strategic interest does Russia have in Poland?

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 16:29|| 2022-10-25 16:29|| Front Page Top

#27
#26 What vital strategic interest does Russia have in Poland?
Posted by: Matt 2022-10-25 16:29

Matt,

Quite frankly, they believe that an independent Poland that is not a Russian-controlled nor vassal state is a threat to Russia. Ukraine, they consider to be part of Greater Russia - but they want a Russian-controlled Poland to keep the Germans out and the Ukrainians in. The more space between Germany and them, the better.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-10-25 16:34|| 2022-10-25 16:34|| Front Page Top

#28 What vital strategic interest does Russia have in Poland?
Keeping from being invaded through that country, as has happened to Russia at least once in every century going back nearly four hundred years.

Funny you should ask… this crystallizes the issue nicely. We’re fucking around on Russia’s front porch. This is an almost exact image of our Monroe Doctrine. We wouldn’t tolerate for one second a forward base for China or Russia or anyone on our borders.

We should focus on our hemisphere & our two coasts. Poland’s problems are for Poland to solve. Not my country. Not my problem.

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-25 16:44|| 2022-10-25 16:44|| Front Page Top

#29 ^ Russia's paranoia should not dictate the right of other nations to exist.

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 16:46|| 2022-10-25 16:46|| Front Page Top

#30 Actually, Billy, you're saying that Poland's problems are for Russia to solve.

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 16:48|| 2022-10-25 16:48|| Front Page Top

#31 “Paranoia” LOL

They’ve been invaded again and again and again. As Woodrow pointed out, a former U.S. National Security Adviser actually argued that Russia should be dismembered. Yeah he actually said that.

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-25 17:01|| 2022-10-25 17:01|| Front Page Top

#32 ^ So you're saying Russia should have the right to dictate the ability of other nations to exist?

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 17:07|| 2022-10-25 17:07|| Front Page Top

#33 Look, buddy, we get it: you hate Russia and love Poland. You’re a special pleader. Not much different from those IRA fanboys in Southie or Marble Hill, passing the hat for the boys between rounds of Bushmills and drunken choruses of ByThe Risin’ Of The Moon.

But the idea that we should intervene to help the Poles in their quarrel is just as nutty as the notion that we should help the IRA against the Loyalists.

It’s just not our problem, sorry. (Nothing wrong with Bushmills btw.)

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-25 17:13|| 2022-10-25 17:13|| Front Page Top

#34 If there is a Russian Monroe doctrine, what countries does it extend to? Poland? The Baltics? Romania? Finland? France? Or put differently, is it true that the borders of Russia never end? If not, where do they end?

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 17:24|| 2022-10-25 17:24|| Front Page Top

#35 Poland? Most definitely.
The Baltics? Absolutely.
Romania? Finland? Yes and yes.
All of those countries should be neutral.

France? Nope. Ils ont leur force de frappe - ‘nuff said.

Posted by Billy B 2022-10-25 17:29|| 2022-10-25 17:29|| Front Page Top

#36 And can the neutrality of those countries be assured by anything other than Russian military occupation?

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 17:38|| 2022-10-25 17:38|| Front Page Top

#37 The more space between Germany and them, the better.

Exactly! And that is exactly the reason for the fighting in Ukraine where neither NATO nor the United States have any business whatsoever. Putin invaded Ukraine because he felt threatened by NATO and he has damn good reason to feel that way. If the United States and NATO weren't meddling in Ukraine this war would have never even started.

Russia, as we have seen, is much too weak to pose a threat to Western Europe and isn't likely to get any stronger any time soon...maybe never. But Germany and Poland could conceivable pose a threat to Russia, especially with the likes of Joe Biden helping to fan the flames with his dream of expanding NATO all the way to Kamchatka. If you were Putin, you'd be paranoid too.

No. We don't need to defend Poland against Russia. We need to make sure their inferiority complex doesn't lead them into an attack on Russia. Same with Germany. A realistic justification for NATO these days, if there is one, is not to keep Russia out of Western Europe. It's to keep the Germans and the Poles out of Russia.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-25 17:44|| 2022-10-25 17:44|| Front Page Top

#38 Our pols and "think tank" people hover around Ukraine like flies on you know what.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-25 17:45|| 2022-10-25 17:45|| Front Page Top

#39 I don't wanna hear any crap about Biden defending democracy either. I think we all know better than that. If we don't we should. Biden and the globalists who pull his strings are on a power trip. They thought Ukraine would be easy and now they're pissed because Putin got in their way. Putin needs to be very careful. He is in great danger.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-25 17:52|| 2022-10-25 17:52|| Front Page Top

#40 So we ought not to be involved in Poland's affairs unless Poland attacks Russia, and if that happens we should leap into action?

Posted by Matt 2022-10-25 17:52|| 2022-10-25 17:52|| Front Page Top

#41 ^ I could see Biden using that as a pretext for war with Russia. What he should do is inform the Polish government in no uncertain terms that it damn well better not happen. If it did then Poland would be considered the aggressor and left to their own devices.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-25 18:22|| 2022-10-25 18:22|| Front Page Top

#42 We should use our influence and NATO's to make sure the Poles don't do anything stupid.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-25 18:23|| 2022-10-25 18:23|| Front Page Top

#43 Matt, it is truly a pleasure to watch you work. :-)

JHH, you are ever gallant. Thank you.

They thought Ukraine would be easy and now they're pissed because Putin got in their way. Putin needs to be very careful. He is in great danger.

Mr. Billy, The first phrase of that first sentence is just as true if turned to say Putin thought Ukraine would be easy. Unfortunately, he and his generals were wrong, and are now in the process of destroying that which they could not win — watched by the entire world. President Putin is indeed in great danger, though considerably more from his own people than from abroad.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-25 18:26|| 2022-10-25 18:26|| Front Page Top

#44 Not Mr. Billy. Abu takes credit for that one. I still beg to differ with you. I believe Putin's invasion was of a preemptive nature to keep NATO from his doorstep. Consider, if you will, how you would feel if Justin Trudeau was negotiating a treaty that would bring Xi Jinping's forces to our border with Canada.

It may be difficult for you to imagine that Biden has such a malign and aggressive purpose in mind as to actually threaten Russia but I believe he does. I believe Biden is not just a feeble old fool but a front for some very evil people.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-25 18:38|| 2022-10-25 18:38|| Front Page Top

#45 Good heavens, what a lovely lively thread, so vividly, refreshingly redolent of honey -- buckets and buckets of honey -- and dingleberries! And I've only skimmed the last third or so. Off the pile...

When Billy Budyonniy was bothered
By something some dummy had authored,
He knew what to do!
No, not only pooh-pooh
For his potentate Puitn -- he pothered!
Yes, he positively pothered... apparently. Off to the top t9 see.

Posted by Waldemar B. Hayes8774 2022-10-25 19:21|| 2022-10-25 19:21|| Front Page Top

#46 I think Brandon is angling for a big victory in eastern Europe to cement his 'legacy'.

I pray I am delusional.

Posted by Bobby 2022-10-25 19:22|| 2022-10-25 19:22|| Front Page Top

#47 Abject apologies, Abu Uluque, comment 39 is indeed yours, not Billy B’s.

I believe Putin's invasion was of a preemptive nature to keep NATO from his doorstep.

I quite agree, my dear. And the poor man was foolish enough to believe President Biden’s statement on the eve of that invasion that he would not object. Whether invading Ukraine would have been do-able had America and NATO stood by that disinterest is a separate question.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-25 19:25|| 2022-10-25 19:25|| Front Page Top

#48 Wow. One for the ages, looks like. Apologies all for "piling on" and stinking things up.

Posted by Waldemar B. Hayes8774 2022-10-25 19:33|| 2022-10-25 19:33|| Front Page Top

#49 With all due respect for all, it's time for a drink.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-10-25 20:08|| 2022-10-25 20:08|| Front Page Top

#50 I'ma thinkrn about attacking and occupying the rest of the homes on my block, so I have strategic depth when the tweakers come around. Same-same, right? Who cares what my neighbors think.

Posted by Frank G 2022-10-25 20:24|| 2022-10-25 20:24|| Front Page Top

#51 Paranoid? Historically I have a right to be, so STFU!

I'm embarrassed for some of the justifications offered

Posted by Frank G 2022-10-25 20:28|| 2022-10-25 20:28|| Front Page Top

#52 "Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 "

Not me. Some other woody.

Posted by Woodrow 2022-10-25 21:33|| 2022-10-25 21:33|| Front Page Top

#53 PS - I served in the days when Mr Brzezinski was working his voodoo at the White House. The man was a Dollar General Kissinger.

Well, I don’t agree that he was less than brilliant. As a Cold Warrior he was without peer. I met him and his elegant wife in Georgetown one fine evening and they were courtly and charming — genuine aristocrats, with Old World manners and breeding.

But there is an obsessive cast of mind for EVERY emigre activist who lands on American shores, and it dictates the following:

1. Life’s goal is unitary: gain revenge on the Evil Tyrants who forced me out of my beloved country.

2. “Evil Tyrants” as I deem them are by definition enemies of all that is good and holy and American.

3. All patriotic Americans must therefore share my private obsession with vengeance.

4. Those Americans who don’t share my desire for vengeance must be destroyed, through all the dark arts of lies, character assassination and bureaucratic / Deep State scheming.

Brzezinski, despite his erudition, his five manners and elegant wife (yes, she was quite beautiful and lovely), became one of those emigre cranks who regularly throw a wrench into America’s foreign policy process.

These nuts have led us off a cliff three times in a row recently: with Iraq (Chalabi and the ‘Iraqi National Congress’), Afg. (Karzai and his Jizzy Lizzy Loya Thinga), and now the whole idiotic Ukrainian Freakshow of Lt. Col. Flounder, the dick-pounding little piano-comedian in the t-shirt and his corrupt neo-Nazi pals.

I think we’ve had enough of these emigre maniacs. Don’t you?

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 21:48|| 2022-10-25 21:48|| Front Page Top

#54

Posted by Sluse Grealet9429 2022-10-25 23:05|| 2022-10-25 23:05|| Front Page Top

#55 PresidentPutin is indeed in great danger, though considerably more from his own people

Complete bullshit. Putin is more popular in Russia than any U.S. president has ever been during the last 30 years.

This is the most ridiculous of many idiotic lies pushed recently by the American and UK propaganda press.

There is a higher chance that Biden will be impeached than that Putin will leave office before 2024

Posted by Woodrow Hatfield6779 2022-10-25 23:06|| 2022-10-25 23:06|| Front Page Top

#56

Posted by Son of Waldemar B. Hayes8774 2022-10-25 23:09|| 2022-10-25 23:09|| Front Page Top

#57 Putin is more popular in Russia than any U.S. president has ever been during the last 30 years.

For his sake, I hope you’re right. Political assassination makes me unhappy.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-25 23:14|| 2022-10-25 23:14|| Front Page Top

#58 Personally, I've always kinda liked Putin, public image thereof. Though there are those ugly rumours.

"Ma, Ma, where's my pa?"
"Marching on Kremlin, ha ha ha!"

Posted by Waldemar B. Hayes8774 2022-10-25 23:35|| 2022-10-25 23:35|| Front Page Top

#59 ^ Election denier!!

Posted by Samuello Tilde 2022-10-25 23:38|| 2022-10-25 23:38|| Front Page Top

#60 I snuck out from doing articles for tomorrow (in eleven minutes), only to be faced with this. ^^^ Y’all aren’t playing fair. :-D

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-25 23:50|| 2022-10-25 23:50|| Front Page Top

#61 I deny it, comrade!

"We don't care what Tilde say,
Rooskie elections are A-okay!"

Posted by Waldemar B. Hayes8774 2022-10-25 23:54|| 2022-10-25 23:54|| Front Page Top

#62 ^ I deny that, too (got bogged down looking up correct transmography of "A-okay").

Posted by Waldemar B. Hayes8774 2022-10-25 23:57|| 2022-10-25 23:57|| Front Page Top

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