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2022-09-30 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Putin: Western aggression in WW2 'needlessly destroyed German cities'
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Posted by Skidmark 2022-09-30 09:20|| || Front Page|| [11141 views ]  Top

#1 Putin complained of the "senseless, unnecessary" destruction of several German cities by the US and UK

C'mon, Vlad. You conveniently forget about Hitler's senseless and unnecessary destruction of English cities in that war, Russian cities as well. And if the West hadn't made war against Russia, you would be speaking German today. If you want credibility, you can't go around spouting bullshit like that.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-30 11:38||   2022-09-30 11:38|| Front Page Top

#2 Bombing campaign was in part to satisfy Stalin.
Posted by Glenmore  2022-09-30 11:46||   2022-09-30 11:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Every side in WWII did it. Cry me a fucking river.
Posted by DarthVader 2022-09-30 11:49||   2022-09-30 11:49|| Front Page Top

#4  And if the West hadn't made war against RussiaHitler

Sorry about that.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-30 11:54||   2022-09-30 11:54|| Front Page Top

#5 To his credit, at least Vlad knows that Hitler is no longer among the living.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-09-30 11:56||   2022-09-30 11:56|| Front Page Top

#6 Putin says U.S. created nuclear PRECEDENT by bombing Japan and vows to 'smash' the 'satanic' West: Rants that America is STILL occupying Germany, 'Anglo-Saxons' blew up Nord Stream and warns he'll use 'all forces' to defend annexed Ukraine regions
Posted by Skidmark 2022-09-30 13:14||   2022-09-30 13:14|| Front Page Top

#7 Are the oligarchs going to bring their children and mistresses home before the smashing?
Posted by Matt 2022-09-30 14:08||   2022-09-30 14:08|| Front Page Top

#8 Is the annexation and blood thirsty rhetoric a signal that consolidation of the eastern sections is the prelude to opening negotiations? The corridor to Crimea and little hope for political survival at home if this goes on much longer might be Putie's Come-to-Jesus assessment at this point?
Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-09-30 14:22||   2022-09-30 14:22|| Front Page Top

#9 Okay now this is just pathetic.
Posted by Dron66046 2022-09-30 14:34||   2022-09-30 14:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Whether to make a deal now or risk total defeat in Ukraine? I bet Putin never thought he'd be in such a mess when he started this nastiness.
Posted by jpal 2022-09-30 15:45||   2022-09-30 15:45|| Front Page Top

#11 Ref #8: My assessment as well. Of course I was the one who said Brandon wouldn't last 6 months.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-09-30 16:54||   2022-09-30 16:54|| Front Page Top

#12 Look at this objectively. Russia has paid a heavy price, but NATO allies are paying an even greater price, and Ukraine is essentially wiped out as an independent functioning nation.

For Russia, controlling >20% of Ukrainian territory, including four entire provinces, plus consolidating control over Crimea amounts to a decisive victory. The total destruction of Ukraine as a functioning economic entity is gravy — as is creating chaos and instability from London to Berlin to Rome. A heavy price paid but one the Russians are happy to pay in exchange for destroying Ukraine and cementing control over Crinea and the land bridge thereto.

Poor Ukraine has been completely raped, ratfucked, destroyed. If Zelensky or rather Biden had simply accepted Minsk II’s provisions, Ukraine would have been *far* better off. Think about it: through negotiations they could have retained control of their territory, their industrial base, their mines and factories in the Donbas, and all the associated tax revenues. All this, without the loss of 3 million emigres, over 100,000 casualties so far and 30,000 each month. And without $700 billion in rebuilding costs.

Walking away from the negotiations in early April was an incredibly costly mistake. If I were Ukrainian I’d be as furious at the Americans as I were at the Russians. We screwed them royally.
Posted by Zebulon 2022-09-30 17:14||   2022-09-30 17:14|| Front Page Top

#13  ^ For a nation that has been completely raped, ratfucked and destroyed Ukraine is still putting up a pretty good fight.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-30 18:03||   2022-09-30 18:03|| Front Page Top

#14 As for #8, Trump Volunteers to Lead Negotiations With Putin.

Only one problem, Donald: Biden wants war.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-30 18:07||   2022-09-30 18:07|| Front Page Top

#15 Ukraine is now a 4th-world country with a GDP somewhere between Somalia’s and Zimbabwe’s. And a political class that rivals any in Africa for corruption, incompetence and brutality.

We don’t go to war for “democracy in Zimbabwe,” or Somalia or Mail or Ouagadougou. Why are we screwing our selected — and destroying Germany and Italy and the rest of our allies in Europe — over this 4th world cesspool called Ukraine?

Can anyone state clearly — no bullshit about “defending democracy,” or stupid and inaccurate fake analogies to 1938 — state clearly what vital national interest we have in that wretched miserable country?

Seriously: what’s our vital interest there, vital as in, worth destroying our wealth and setting the world aflame and risking nuclear war over?

Tell us. Please.
Posted by Sheba Jolugum2466 2022-09-30 20:34||   2022-09-30 20:34|| Front Page Top

#16 * why are we screwing ourselves over this shithoke bastard country?

I’m not a fan of Russia. I care about the United States. Why are we shooting ourselves in the balls?

This is even stupider than the Iraq War. Another Endless War that does nothing for us except drive us further into debt, set another region of the world on fire, and make us and our allies poorer and less safe. For what?

End this idiocy. Someone needs to take out those lunatics who are pushing our brain-dead vegetable president toward nuclear war. Stop those fuckers before they cause even more damage to us.

Again, I don’t give a shot about Putin and hope he rots in hell.

I care about the United States. Why are we pursuing and escalating this idiotic, pointless, self-destructive war?
Posted by Sheba Jolugum2466 2022-09-30 20:40||   2022-09-30 20:40|| Front Page Top

#17 “For a nation that has been completely raped, ratfucked and destroyed Ukraine is still putting up a pretty good fight.“

And they’re completely, totally fucked.

Their economy is completely ruined. It was a basket case before April 2022; now it’s an African or Gaza style hellhole. Do you have any idea what it’s like to live in a country where GDP per capita is less than $3 a day? That’s Ukraine now. Poorer than 90% of sub-Saharan Africa.
4th world poverty. For the next 40 years.

How on earth do you consider that a good outcome?
Yeah I get it: they’re brave heroic noble gallant etc.
they’re also DEAD as a nation.

Is that wise? Tell us, seriously. Noble, maybe, but was refusing a peace settlement a wise choice?
Posted by Sheba Jolugum2466 2022-09-30 20:59||   2022-09-30 20:59|| Front Page Top

#18 Wondering now how to tile an image behind a post. [Hysteria!] Please don't tell me, because duh, but wouldn't it be cool?
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