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2022-05-15 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by badanov 2022-05-15 09:19|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 "American NAZIS! Hooray!
If those monsters continue to slay
Random folks in the States
At historical rates,
In some years, more or less,
They'll have killed, I would guess,
What we Russians knock off in a day!"

Posted by Guillibaldo Whusoting5316 2022-05-15 10:34|| 2022-05-15 10:34|| Front Page Top

#2 "Gendron wears socks. You know who else wears socks? Azov Nazis! Quod Erat Demonstrandum"

Posted by Frank G 2022-05-15 10:36|| 2022-05-15 10:36|| Front Page Top

#3 We destroyed the upper-case Nazis 67 years ago. I don't think the lower-case nazis are our problem. If Hitler hadn't declared war on America, the upper-case Nazis might not have been our problem either.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-15 10:53|| 2022-05-15 10:53|| Front Page Top

#4 77 years ago. Sorry for the Sunday math.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-15 10:54|| 2022-05-15 10:54|| Front Page Top

#5 "And further research has determined
That kin of this murdering vermin
Recorded on cello
Some suites by a fellow
Whose background's suspiciously German!"

Posted by Guillibaldo Whusoting5316 2022-05-15 11:07|| 2022-05-15 11:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Eurine Con-servative will screech, but current day mainstream Chermans are closer to nazis than the azov morons.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-15 11:18|| 2022-05-15 11:18|| Front Page Top

#7 On WWII Victory Day, Ukraine’s Zelensky Shares Image of Soldier with Nazi “Totenkopf” “Death Head” Insignia, then Deletes it

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 11:38|| 2022-05-15 11:38|| Front Page Top

#8 Flashback (2019): Jewish veteran and US Congressman Max Rose plus 39 other House Democrats call on the US State Department to designate three European neo-Nazi groups as terrorist organizations.

The letter urged regulators to list Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, Britain’s National Action and Scandinavia’s Nordic Resistance Movement on the State Deparment’s list of Foreign Terror Organizations. This would give security officials more tools to monitor and potentially prosecute Americans who correspond or train with those organizations.

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 11:53|| 2022-05-15 11:53|| Front Page Top

#9 Kind of peculiar that a website devoted to The War on Terror ignores (or tries to make jokes about) the role that Ukrainian Nazi organizations have played in inspiring and training terrorists across Europe, the US and Asia.

For many years, Ukraine's Azov Battalion and the larger Ukrainian Nazi movement ("UNUT") have hosted many different far right and white supremacist or Neo-Nazi movements and individual terrorists. They trained the fascist who perpetrated New Zealand's Christchurch massacre, for example.

"The infamous March 2019 attack on a mosque that killed 50 Muslims and wounded 49 in Christchurch, New Zealand also had a UNUT [ie, Azov] connection. The manifesto of the attack’s perpetrator, Brenton Tarrant, states he had trained with the Azov Battalion. He also often wore the neo-Nazi emblem, the altered German Nazi ‘Wolfsangel’ that is Azov’s own emblem.[67]

"In the wake of the attack an unidentified, encrypted site of a Ukrainian neofascist organization was reported to be selling the 87-page manifesto in hardcover, over which New Zealand protested, having banned its publication and dissemination in New Zealand.[68]"

Summary:

"UNUT [Azov] is rapidly becoming an international terrorist threat. It threatens not only democratization and stability of the regime in Kiev. The growing international network of ties with other ultranationalist, neofascist, and white supremacist groups threatens to bolster the international ultranationalist, neofascist and white supremacist movements and perhaps even radicalize it. As we have seen, the Ukrainian and Russian hub of the movements whipped up by the Donbass civil war has in turn energized the larger movement, producing plots and violence here in the U.S. as the California and Kansas arrests demonstrate."

Posted by Crith Hupoth2461 2022-05-15 12:15|| 2022-05-15 12:15|| Front Page Top

#10 Kind of peculiar that a website devoted to The War on Terror ignores (or tries to make jokes about) the role that Ukrainian Nazi organizations have played in inspiring and training terrorists across Europe, the US and Asia.

Not strange at all. This is a joke of a site, run by retired right-wing geriatric cranks and loons venting their hatred of all the Pentagon's bugbears of the last half century -- Russkies, congressmen, Muslims, journalists...

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 12:22|| 2022-05-15 12:22|| Front Page Top

#11 Kind of peculiar that a website devoted to The War on Terror ignores (or tries to make jokes about) the role that Ukrainian Nazi organizations have played in inspiring and training terrorists across Europe, the US and Asia.

If it doesn't get posted, we can't know about it.

Posted by badanov 2022-05-15 12:42|| 2022-05-15 12:42|| Front Page Top

#12 Not strange at all. This is a joke of a site, run by retired right-wing geriatric cranks and loons venting their hatred of all the Pentagon's bugbears of the last half century -- Russkies, congressmen, Muslims, journalists...

And yet, here you are.

Posted by badanov 2022-05-15 12:42|| 2022-05-15 12:42|| Front Page Top

#13 ^ QED

Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-05-15 12:45|| 2022-05-15 12:45|| Front Page Top

#14 Why pretend that the Ukrainians are not harboring Nazi terrorists who inspire, host and train violent terrorists drawn from around the world to Ukraine by their Nazi ideology and terror campaign?

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 12:52|| 2022-05-15 12:52|| Front Page Top

#15 #3 We destroyed the upper-case Nazis 67 years ago. I don't think the lower-case nazis are our problem. If Hitler hadn't declared war on America, the upper-case Nazis might not have been our problem either.
Posted by: M. Murcek 2022-05-15 10:53

...This. Oh, so much THIS.

Along those lines, I tell people that if the folks who screech 'NAZI!!!!' at every opportunity ever actually met an honest-to-Adolf, mid-30s Stormtrooper, or a member of SS Das Reich in, say, 1944, they would shiat themselves and run screaming for the nearest cop or American military member.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2022-05-15 12:54|| 2022-05-15 12:54|| Front Page Top

#16 They're terrorists. They attack and kill innocent civilians based on their race, religion, nationality. Congress, State, many international organizations recognize them as such. Why you're in denial about this is a mystery.

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 12:58|| 2022-05-15 12:58|| Front Page Top

#17 *Snicker* Why do Russians and and those who love Russia insist this is a uniquely Ukrainian issue, when Russia has been involved in such things up to her swanlike neck?

Now do German neonazis in St. Petersberg:

Why are German neo-Nazis training in Russia?

[Deutsche Welle] German right-wing extremists are receiving paramilitary training in St. Petersburg, Russia, according to a new report by news magazine Focus. Who is running the training, and what do we know about the participants?

What kind of camp did right-wing extremists reportedly visit in Russia?
Participating in paramilitary training is legal in Russia. Such training takes place under the protective umbrella of DOSAAF (Volunteer Society for Cooperation with the Army, Aviation, and Navy), an organization whose founding dates back to the days of the Soviet Union. The actual training, in which Germans reportedly participated, is provided by a club appearing under two different names: "Rezerv" or "Partizan." It takes place at a military facility on the outskirts of St. Petersburg. Until 2018, "Partizan" and its members were listed on the website of St. Petersburg's municipal office as a vigilante group in the Vyborg district. "That was prior to my taking office," a district representative told DW when asked about the matter.

Talking to local journalists in 2017, one of the organizers of the paramilitary camp confirmed that the center also provided paramilitary training for foreigners, "including Germans." Today, the center advertises both offline and online courses, including classes on handling weapons and on "military topography" — in June 2020 alone, it offers six different classes, bookable via the Russian social network Vkontakte.

Right-wing populists in Russia
Russia in the past has served as a meeting point for right-wing populists and radicals from around Europe. In 2015, St. Petersburg hosted the "International Russian Conservative Forum." Participants included the former chairman of the German extreme-right National Democratic Party (NPD), Udo Voigt, as well as representatives from Italy's extreme-right Forza Nuova party, Greece's neo-fascist Golden Dawn party and Italy's far-right League (Lega) party.

Lots more at the link, including discussion of the Russian Imperial Movement.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-15 13:04|| 2022-05-15 13:04|| Front Page Top

#18 Why do Russians and and those who love Russia insist this is a uniquely Ukrainian issue

Stop lying. Start reading. No one says Russia doesn't have fascists. Again, here's what I posted, above:

"As we have seen, the Ukrainian and Russian hub of the movements whipped up by the Donbass civil war has in turn energized the larger movement, producing plots and violence here in the U.S. as the California and Kansas arrests demonstrate."

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 13:10|| 2022-05-15 13:10|| Front Page Top

#19 Since you're so obsessed with Russia, if it helps you to see more clearly I don't care for either side. It's a nasty civil war with brutal terrorists on both sides. We should definitely not be intervening and enabling one side's violent fascists.

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 13:13|| 2022-05-15 13:13|| Front Page Top

#20 rl;dr. Rantburg looks at the big picture, where it can be seen that Ukrainian neo-nazis and Russian neo-nazis are comrades in arms speaking dialects of the same root language.

This makes current anti-Ukraine screeching on this subject a particularly tiresome variety of Russian propaganda.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-15 13:14|| 2022-05-15 13:14|| Front Page Top

#21 "Tiresome," Lol

I pointed out the known documented link between one of our (western) fascist mass murderers, Brandon Tarrant, and an organization that Biden is insisting we fund with $60 billion of our money! And you're talking about the other side in this war. Redirect much?

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 13:19|| 2022-05-15 13:19|| Front Page Top

#22 We shouldn't be giving to EITHER side's Nazis. We should stay the fuck out and protect our homeland.

GW Bush used to say, "We're fighting them [terrorists] over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

Biden's (and evidently your) logic is, "We're ~~fighting~~ funding fascists over there and ginning up a domestic terrorist threat over here."

If you can't see the lunacy of that approach, I can't help you, dearie.

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 13:23|| 2022-05-15 13:23|| Front Page Top

#23 We shouldn't be giving to EITHER side's Nazis. We should stay the fuck out and protect our homeland.

Well said. This mad intervention is even stupider than the Iraq War. It's killing us.

Not our circus, as they say.

Posted by Pheans Jeang5257 2022-05-15 13:32|| 2022-05-15 13:32|| Front Page Top

#24 As badanov has repeatedly pointed out, dear Grim Wheaper3336, based on his experience reporting on the first round in the Donbas in 2014-15, neither side can claim to be angels.

The international white supremacist movement, sometimes called neo-nazis, sometimes other names, is full of cross fertilizations. It doesn’t matter which particular branch any given individual is connected to, just as it doesn’t really matter whether a Muslim spree killer was inspired by videos posted by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hizb’ut Tahrir, or a member of the Muslim Brotherhood — the various groups trade the things like baseball cards, and their self-radicalized fans in both cases drink from all the firehoses.

This is why, as soon as we knew that Mr. Tarrant was a racist, the exact provenance did not trigger excitement.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-15 13:38|| 2022-05-15 13:38|| Front Page Top

#25 #22 We should stay the fuck out and protect our homeland.

GW Bush used to say, "We're fighting them [terrorists] over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

Biden's (and evidently your) logic is, "We're fighting funding fascists over there and ginning up a domestic terrorist threat over here."

Nice!
You've got my vote. Stay the fok out, indeed.

Posted by Thosh Fillmore7079 2022-05-15 14:03|| 2022-05-15 14:03|| Front Page Top

#26 "funding fascists over there and ginning up a domestic terrorist threat over here" pretty well summarizes how completely fokked up this Administration is. What was it Obama liked to say about 'counting on Joe Biden'?

Posted by Thosh Fillmore7079 2022-05-15 14:06|| 2022-05-15 14:06|| Front Page Top

#27 Biden's (and evidently your) logic is, "We're fighting funding fascists over there and ginning up a domestic terrorist threat over here."

A straw man, since I never thought or said anything like that.

Domestically we have a sociological problem of Critical Race Theory afficianados teaching white children that they are automatically and unchangeably racists, and feminists teaching boys that they are automatically and unchangeably sexist. It’s not surprising that some of them decide to make those identities into a positive instead of a negative, and that some of them decide to act on it, which is independent of my opinion of their ignorant stupidity. This is compounded in certain cities and states by prosecutors refusing to prosecute crimes by protected classes, creating an anything goes atmosphere until there is a predictable response, predictably with the broken and the mentally ill in the vanguard, just as so many among the Black Block cannon fodder have severe anxiety and depression issues, in many cases expressed by body dysmorphia.

Entirely separately, President Putin has been pursuing the reestablishment of the Soviet Union via economic pressure and military means for the past two decades. I think it’s stupid to create an unstable empire rife with resentment and revolt in this way when they could more easily have increased the attraction via trade and special relationships instead. My disapproval of President Biden in general and his administration’s habit of throwing huge sums of money at Iran, the Palestinians, Ukraine, and any other country or cause that might weaken America’s prestige and effectiveness at home and abroad has nothing to do with the specifics of the discussion here.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-15 14:06|| 2022-05-15 14:06|| Front Page Top

#28 What was it Obama liked to say about 'counting on Joe Biden'?

"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up"

Posted by Rupert Jones1584 2022-05-15 14:10|| 2022-05-15 14:10|| Front Page Top

#29 #23 We shouldn't be giving to EITHER side's Nazis. We should stay the fuck out and protect our homeland.

Well said. This mad intervention is even stupider than the Iraq War. It's killing us. Not our circus, as they say.

Yeah... Bush & Blair's Iraq War was totally daft, and Blair will burn in hell for dragging us into it, but this one's even worse. These cvnts are punishing us this time. It's surreal

Fuel cost crisis sees 26 per cent of Britons go without heating while almost a third have cut back on food shopping, new poll shows

Posted by Rupert Jones1584 2022-05-15 14:22|| 2022-05-15 14:22|| Front Page Top

#30 You and us both, mate. These sick fucks are trying to distract us from their own failures. Like Carlson says, they're just making us poorer so they can control us even more.

If this asinine war were debated openly and honestly and put to a vote of the people in America and Britain, nobody outside Washington or Westminster would vote for it.

Stay the fok out!

Posted by Thosh Fillmore7079 2022-05-15 14:39|| 2022-05-15 14:39|| Front Page Top

#31 Give it a rest on the death head symbol, it dates back to the period of Fredrick the Great (100+ years before anyone conceived of socialism) worn by hussars among others. It would also appear on the shakos of the Brunswick hussars that fought with the Anglo Allies at Waterloo. However, don't let historical facts cloud your hate. We have people here that play that same game.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-15 15:24|| 2022-05-15 15:24|| Front Page Top

#32 "Stay the fok out" - exactly. Intervening in this cluster is just cutting off our legs to spite ...who knows what.

Of all our pointless recent interventions this is easily the most destructive and foolish

Posted by Grim Wheaper3336 2022-05-15 15:33|| 2022-05-15 15:33|| Front Page Top

#33 We’re probably arguing with a blogger in basement of some guy perpetually wearing pajamas mooching off their parents spewing their usual “information” about one jump from spam

This discussion went off the rails about two hours ago

Funny how this connection to the black sun or whoever attracted such interest and vitriol

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2022-05-15 15:51|| 2022-05-15 15:51|| Front Page Top

#34 ^ always a sign of a lost argument.

Face it, Biden's blowing your money and dragging America down to Russia and Ukraine's level. You'd have to be a masochist to support this madness

Posted by Unash Elmeth7756 2022-05-15 16:16|| 2022-05-15 16:16|| Front Page Top

#35 ^ Well said, Comrade. It's Sunday, you can clock out early

Posted by Frank G 2022-05-15 16:59|| 2022-05-15 16:59|| Front Page Top

#36 "#20 rl;dr. Rantburg looks at the big picture, where it can be seen that Ukrainian neo-nazis and Russian neo-nazis are comrades in arms speaking dialects of the same root language.

This makes current anti-Ukraine screeching on this subject a particularly tiresome variety of Russian propaganda."

This is why it is really not worth paying attention to. Actions on the ground is all of which to concern. That ideology is not going far anywhere.

Posted by newc 2022-05-15 18:19|| 2022-05-15 18:19|| Front Page Top

#37 #35:

Posted by badanov 2022-05-15 19:05|| 2022-05-15 19:05|| Front Page Top

#38 Stay the fok out!

YES. 1,000 upvotes.

Wish we had more Congressmen with Rand Paul's clarity and courage.

Why the fuck are we sliding into this stupid war without any debate at all? How us this happening in America?

Resist the insanity. Stay the fok out.

Posted by Snakes Glineper5544 2022-05-15 21:58|| 2022-05-15 21:58|| Front Page Top

#39 Retarded f@ggots with their Putin-Orban-Trump obsession + demented old Cold Warriors itching for WWIII: fuck off. Stop pushing us into another of your insane, self-destructive overseas interventions in a total shithoje that concerns us not in the slightest.

Your generation has trashed this country. You keep tryouts bg to distract us with your mindless wag the dog adventures. In Iraq. In Afghanistan. In Libya. Now in a total shithole that your corrupt Biden Crime Family has tried to pillage and loot for years.

Fuck your war profiteering.
Fuck your endless wars that benefit us not at all.
FUCK UKRAINE
FUCK JOE BIDEN

Posted by Snakes Glineper5544 2022-05-15 22:05|| 2022-05-15 22:05|| Front Page Top

#40 Whoa. Catchin' a buzz in here... and I don't even smoke.

Posted by Tarzan Unoluse6094 2022-05-15 22:49|| 2022-05-15 22:49|| Front Page Top

#41 ^ How good ideas get a bad name...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-15 22:49|| 2022-05-15 22:49|| Front Page Top

#42 A $60 billion buzz.

B-O-H-I-C-A

Posted by Omereck Joluting4364 2022-05-15 22:59|| 2022-05-15 22:59|| Front Page Top

#43 Sixty. Fucking. Billion.

For fucking Ukraine, the cesspool of Easyern Europe, the shittiest most corrupt sinkhole north of Zambia.

For Ukraine. a shithole's shithole.
The Bidens' candy jar.
Unreal.

Posted by Nero B. Hayes4518 2022-05-15 23:04|| 2022-05-15 23:04|| Front Page Top

#44 Follow the money...

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-15 23:09|| 2022-05-15 23:09|| Front Page Top

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