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2021-08-25 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

US Army decides not to buy Israel's Iron Dome interceptor system

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Posted by Skidmark 2021-08-25 08:06|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 Better stuff in the pipeline, but will it come online by the time it's needed?

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 08:28|| 2021-08-25 08:28|| Front Page Top

#2 The future is lots of loitering small networked sensors, not a few large, fixed radars.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 08:30|| 2021-08-25 08:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Obviously, because it works.

Posted by Bertie Crains2651 2021-08-25 09:05|| 2021-08-25 09:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Fighting the last war has worked out so well for the Pentagon...

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 09:06|| 2021-08-25 09:06|| Front Page Top

#5 The US military's biggest problem in the field will not be suppressing the crude ordnance Iron Dome handles so well. We will be up against state of the art artillery and hypersonics either launched from conventional ground based missiles or aircraft. You will stop the hypersonics only by getting them in boost phase or identifying and eliminating the airborne launchers. Iron dome can't do either.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 09:12|| 2021-08-25 09:12|| Front Page Top

#6 ^And, in any case, Hunter found a better supplier.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-25 09:44|| 2021-08-25 09:44|| Front Page Top

#7 Why don't they just give it to us for free? We give Israel billions in aid every year, why can't they return the favor?

Posted by Blinky Pholuling8616 2021-08-25 09:48|| 2021-08-25 09:48|| Front Page Top

#8 ^ At least they don't butt fuck you like Pakistain. You'd waste those billions anyway, as is evident.

Posted by Dron66046 2021-08-25 09:55|| 2021-08-25 09:55|| Front Page Top

#9 #7 We need these billions for the aftermath when you leave Iraq.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-25 10:01|| 2021-08-25 10:01|| Front Page Top

#10 The US military is run for purpose of buying gear from the defense supplier cartel. Their philosophy is 'it would nice if it works, but it doesn't have to'. As far as the head office is concerned, it could be used, or buried at sea (if the EPA will allow), but there's a buy budget to spend, and the generals and admirals have a future consultants position to worry about.
It's all about the graft.

Posted by ed in texas 2021-08-25 10:16|| 2021-08-25 10:16|| Front Page Top

#11 ^Are you sayin we might see something exactly like Iron Dome, with identical performance - but bearing a proud American name, and coming from a true blue (all parts are made abroad) American company?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-25 10:20|| 2021-08-25 10:20|| Front Page Top

#12 ^ Only, running on Windows?

Posted by Dron66046 2021-08-25 10:40|| 2021-08-25 10:40|| Front Page Top

#13 I think all the US weapons run on an RTOS probably based on OS9 (Not the Crapple OS) It's portable and small. you really can't use Windows to run anything on a small cheap chip.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 10:50|| 2021-08-25 10:50|| Front Page Top

#14 Most of the "Muh Linsux" crowd would be as lost writing scripts and using command prompts as a Windows user would be. Anyone who thinks they are clever for making jokes about large client operating systems operating things like an SM-6 missile probably should not be allowed to operate a garden hose or drinking straw.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 10:56|| 2021-08-25 10:56|| Front Page Top

#15 "Anyone who thinks they are clever for making jokes about large client operating systems operating things like an SM-6 missile probably should not be allowed to operate a garden hose or drinking straw."

But they still vote, MM.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2021-08-25 12:30|| 2021-08-25 12:30|| Front Page Top

#16 Stuff like Iron Dome gets built in Israel with US funding because it's a way of having our R & D escape the effects of the bureaucrats who brought us the current fuckup in Afghanistan or who funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The US scientific bureaucracy are basically like those cat sitters who buy your feline vegan cat food when you're out of the country for six months.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-08-25 14:09|| 2021-08-25 14:09|| Front Page Top

#17 DE M-SHORAD - 50kW laser for deployment in 2022. No $50-100K missiles. A few gallons of diesel fuel.

HEL-TVD - 100kW laser is being upgraded to 300kw, prototype by 2024

Posted by Gerthudion the Prolific5181 2021-08-25 15:01|| 2021-08-25 15:01|| Front Page Top

#18 Anyone who thinks they are clever for making jokes about large client operating systems operating things like an SM-6 missile ...

Personally, I'd give them a pass if it rhymed. Besides, everyone knows that is a job for a Raspberry Pi.

Posted by SteveS 2021-08-25 15:07|| 2021-08-25 15:07|| Front Page Top

#19 #11, its a long and distinguished history of behavior -

The' 03 Springfield and the Mauser Patents

While it's well known the Model 1903 design infringed certain patents belonging to Paul Mauser it's less well known precisely what the
patents covered.

A little background:
In the spring of 1904 General Crozier, Chief of Ordnance, communicated with Mauser indicating some concerns over three patents related
to the design ofthe charger (stripper clip) for the new U.S. Rifle. Mauser detailed their US agents Von Lengerke and Detmold to look into the
matter. The Mauser patent attorneys in turn requested samples of the chargers and the new rifle which they were provided.
Good News and Bad News!:
Von Lengerke and Detmold and their attorneys having completed their review of the clips and the rifles got back to General Crozier. Of
the three original clip patents they advised only two were considered to have been infringed. On the other hand there were five features of the new
rifles design they were concerned about. To settle the matter Mauser proposed the US pay royalties in the amounts of$1.00 per rifle and $1.00
per thousand chargers.
The parties met and negotiated a settlement whereby royalties would be paid at rates of $.75 per rifle and $.50 per thousand chargers. The
amounts were to be paid at the agreed rates until the sum totaled $200,000. At that point the royalties would cease. The agreement was finalized
___ .and.the first check issued just about one year after General Crozier contacted Mauser.

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-08-25 17:59|| 2021-08-25 17:59|| Front Page Top

#20 John Moses Browning was totally immersed in designing semi-auto pistols and automatic rifles at the time and was not at all involved in the army's crusade to remain in the 19th century forever.

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-25 18:40|| 2021-08-25 18:40|| Front Page Top

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