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2020-10-22 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Dozens of preschool teachers test positive for COVID, days after kindergartens reopen

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 05:14|| || Front Page|| [12 views ] Top

#1 Of course, even in Israel, some "people" are unhappy.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 05:26|| 2020-10-22 05:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Making assumptions that these teachers got the virus from students is the type of unscientific leap to conclusion that causes mistakes in public health decisions.

Posted by Airandee 2020-10-22 07:24|| 2020-10-22 07:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Did Grandma Kliier Cuomo send a bunch of kindergartners to these old folks' homes?

Posted by Clem 2020-10-22 07:32|| 2020-10-22 07:32|| Front Page Top

#4 #We already know they got 'em from the kiddies - because it exactly what happened in May.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 07:53|| 2020-10-22 07:53|| Front Page Top

#5 While we are truthfully educating ourselves.
Last week out of 342 Million in the USA.
17,073 out of 342,000,000 tested positive for Covid-19 and 277 died.
Note: The CDC "re-updated" the figure this morning to 468.

Still to die from the C-19 last week you would have to be 1 of the 468 (2.747027470274703 of the infected 17,073 (0.0049921 of 1%) infected out of 342,000,000

IN SIMPLER TERMS
99.99999999529534% Americas population DID NOT DIE of the Covid-19 last week.

99.99500789473684% Americas population WAS NOT INFECTED by the Covid-19 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Posted by NN2N1 2020-10-22 07:54|| 2020-10-22 07:54|| Front Page Top

#6 34 positives out of 1,506 teaches is 2.26%, a bit less than the 2.7% of 40,915 tests.

Any of the children test positive, or have symptoms? Or are they assumed to be asymptomatic carriers?

Posted by Bobby 2020-10-22 07:54|| 2020-10-22 07:54|| Front Page Top

#7 ^I'm sure the next week will be exactly the same.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 08:01|| 2020-10-22 08:01|| Front Page Top

#8 #7 ----> #5

#6 OlderChildren Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 08:07|| 2020-10-22 08:07|| Front Page Top

#9 heh - the WuFlu Jeffrey Toobin of the Burg

Posted by Frank G 2020-10-22 08:46|| 2020-10-22 08:46|| Front Page Top

#10 You never fail to dig deeper, Frank.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 08:55|| 2020-10-22 08:55|| Front Page Top

#11 Grom RealDoctor TM Sounds like the lockdown cult is getting desperate...

Anyone actually ill?

Good for the schools to be spreading herd-immunity to this mild bug

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-22 09:04|| 2020-10-22 09:04|| Front Page Top

#12 Typical, trying to achieve with volume that they can achieve with facts. Well, facts never favor blind faith and wishful thinking.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 09:11|| 2020-10-22 09:11|| Front Page Top

#13 That was a high volume way of say feck all there...

Interesting headline

Trial shows hydroxychloroquine does not prevent COVID-19 in health care workers

Overall, 7.9% assigned the placebo developed COVID-19, while 5.9% assigned hydroxychloroquine developed COVID-19.

So 25% fewer people test +ive for COVID on HCQ...

Which they claim is
"those results were not statistically significant, meaning there was not a meaningful difference between hydroxychloroquine and the placebo."

Be interesting to see what they claim an effect would have to be

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-10-22 09:44|| 2020-10-22 09:44|| Front Page Top

#14 ^ That's easy, BP. CV-19 is the latest target for the Zero Tolerance™ brigade. Anything less than 100% is the same as zero.

Posted by M. Murcek 2020-10-22 10:21|| 2020-10-22 10:21|| Front Page Top

#15 Some these tests have a 2 percent false positive rate. Out of 1500 tests that would mean you shoud expect 30 false positives. There were 34 positives.
Conclusion?

Posted by daniel 2020-10-22 10:26|| 2020-10-22 10:26|| Front Page Top

#16 I fail to recall at any point the discussion, one way or the other, that children are immune to getting the wuflu.

Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-22 10:33|| 2020-10-22 10:33|| Front Page Top

#17 ^ True - NOT immune, just a very low rate as the article I added (in green) shows. 200,000 is a pretty large sample and even our resident Lockdown Apparatchik would be hard-pressed to deny that

Posted by Frank G 2020-10-22 10:38|| 2020-10-22 10:38|| Front Page Top

#18 #16 I don't expect you to review all the diatribes that some "covid-sceptics" have thrown at me in the last few months. But the point was definitely raised - more than once.
If you are really interested, look for the Korean study I cites in #8, and you will find their pertinent posts.

Meanwhile, if you're really interested - this was the dogma until the Korean study.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 10:55|| 2020-10-22 10:55|| Front Page Top

#19 #16 (a) Yes Frank, whenever people wear masks, wash hands, and maintain other safety precautions - the infection rate is low. You, personally, wear a mask in public places?
(b) See, you don't have to descend into gutter when commenting on one of my posts.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 11:03|| 2020-10-22 11:03|| Front Page Top

#20 Using dirt eating poop training finger licking children as an example of anything is a caricature of any argument and should be auto-dismissed if not outright scorned.

Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-22 11:28|| 2020-10-22 11:28|| Front Page Top

#21 a) Yes
b) Who said it was about you?

Posted by Frank G 2020-10-22 11:46|| 2020-10-22 11:46|| Front Page Top

#22 As I recall, my grandchildren got a lot of colds, flu, etc. from their school chums, and brought it home to their parents. Now they go to school electronically. Good thing they have stay-at-home moms.

Posted by Bobby 2020-10-22 12:01|| 2020-10-22 12:01|| Front Page Top

#23 #21 Good, Frank, good. Keep working on it.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-10-22 12:07|| 2020-10-22 12:07|| Front Page Top

#24 Horry County (Myrtle Beach) has voted unanimously to end the obedience training muzzle requirement effective Oct. 30.

FREE AT LAST!FREE AT LAST! THANK LORD ALMIGHTY, FREE AT LAST!!!

Posted by Regular joe 2020-10-22 17:50|| 2020-10-22 17:50|| Front Page Top

#25 Masks didn't work in 1918, so why should they work now?

Posted by Clem 2020-10-22 19:35|| 2020-10-22 19:35|| Front Page Top

#26 Making assumptions that these teachers got the virus from students is the type of unscientific leap to conclusion that causes mistakes in public health decisions.

We already know they got 'em from the kiddies - because it exactly what happened in May.

Wait what is the gestation period? I've heard between 2 and 14 days, which is like saying, "I'm not sure if that color is yellow or blue?"

And is that tested positive (false positives not withstanding) for exposure to, or infected from?

I'd assume that the teachers for sure were following protocol, yet the exposure rate is in the 2-3% which seems to be typical, so are the mask and distancing procedures not making a measurable difference?

Now, as for masks, to be fair my life could depend upon the proper mask and fit for my well being; this is coming from a firefighter and a SCBA diver, as well as woodshop experience.

The best fit for what is popular, from my experience, is my use of N95 with the elastic around the back of the head and metal nose clip, and with a full nomex hood which covers all the head and neck other than the eyes, which would have goggle protection.

To the latter, every time I deployed this as a PPE in a grass fire with goggles I'd still pick chunks out of my nose and eyes, nevermind the finer particles I'd chuck out for a couple days after.

To the former, it was a good fit until talking which would break the seal; more so if proper facial hair shaving wasn't followed.

Both of those are subject to facial features.

So my personal opinion about the ear hook style is they work: as placebo. They are dependent upon the muscular structure and stability of the mandible. Talking, especially those who do wiggle their ears (don't look at Obama, its funny), seal is constantly broken, especially on exhale. On the exhale, without a forced seal, opening appear and the air follows the path of least resistance and just goes a different direction.

On inhale, the person takes longer, deeper breaths, not only deep inhaling broken seals but whatever exhaust didn't leave the mask.

What that means is that person is taking deeper breaths of stuff which is supposed to be exhausted, such as if a person has been exposed to something, such as the Wu Flu, it get sucked deeper into the lungs.

For giggles, let's say someone's immune system has atrophied from lack of exposure to germs and viruses, and suddenly typical stuff in the air becomes quite a bit more dangerous.

Posted by swksvolFF 2020-10-22 23:20|| 2020-10-22 23:20|| Front Page Top

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