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Posted by trailing wife 2020-03-03 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [6561 views ]  Top
 File under: Thai Insurgency 

#1 Don't cede an inch, in fact instead of any 'lopping off' why not a reclamation project in the name of civilization. Grab a company of Thai Rangers and give the FEDEX order, it absolutely HAS to get done.
Posted by Cesare 2020-03-03 07:50||   2020-03-03 07:50|| Front Page Top

#2 Herb is always there to rant about USA military. Nary a peep on the pIslami hordes. Coal kettle black and so on.

Speaking which BLM knocks on DA Jackie Lacey’s house door at 5:30am. Gets the gun greeting.
Posted by Woodrow 2020-03-03 08:21||   2020-03-03 08:21|| Front Page Top

#3 So this means we should continue to meddle in affairs that don't concern us? And kill innocents? I don't follow.

There are sane people saying, "You know, maybe mass murder isn't the answer" only to be viciously shouted down by Internet Tough Guys[tm]. Another person says "You've just handed the presidency to Democrats" which correctly predicts Obama just two short years later.

You are aware that the thread you linked contains several calls for genocide? You know who else called for genocide? Adolf Hitler.

Fighting monsters by becoming a monster is wrong. When you solve your problems with mass murder, you'll just turn on us sooner or later. You know, because you became a monster. That's what monsters do.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-03-03 08:55||   2020-03-03 08:55|| Front Page Top

#4 Ref #3: The foto in this comment appeared to be, or closely resembled that of a young person with down syndrome. The photo was removed.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-03-03 09:16||   2020-03-03 09:16|| Front Page Top

#5 Fighting monsters by becoming a monster is wrong... turn on us...

This is just the sort of loser philosophy that has led to the fucking mess we are all in. Contrary to peoples' appreciation of it as elevated thinking, it arises from the guilt-ridden yoke of past misadventures and hegemonic endeavours of predecessors which people hang around their own necks. These humanist dogmas were created to control rather than to sanctify the human spirit of its base nature. In the absence of real faith, that is seen only by God; they appear to be shiny baubles you can pin on and appear saints to your own kind. But even an animal a family takes in and loves, when it senses evil approach the family will promptly rip its fucking throat out or die trying. It's pretentious of man to try and attain to higher nobleness.

In an age when the enemy populates harems with hundreds of unwilling humans for horrendous exploitation; when babies are slaughtered before mothers who once nursed them through their fevers; when thousands are wiped out without fault for just being your countrymen... you dare to speak for some donkey grazing arsehole and his fucking scavenger family that willfully chooses the poison it's gonna die by ?

I'm not a monster after 24 years of offing muzz. I signed up to just pitch in out of naivety as a kid who never pulled the limbs off insects. Fuck I've never shot at an animal in my life ! It's circumstances that need dirty motherfuckers worse than the other guy. If king Saul, of towering moral stature will keep sparing Agag, some Samuel shall still have to kill him ! Of course Samuel and his 'mass murdering' God is also anathema to today's closet atheists.

It's not appetite that makes the soldier do what he does, it's the condition of the world shaped by stiff necked, pompous, self-righteous, hypocrite academics who will not stop a dogmatist right when he/she is beginning a crazy cult. The arsehole politician and journalists who will fan a flame to shine in its light until the fucking thing becomes a conflagration. The smug bastard judge that will not hang a summbitch when his list of crimes is just beginning. Lilly livered faggots afraid of 'becoming monsters' !

Posted by Dron66046 2020-03-03 10:22||   2020-03-03 10:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Fighting monsters by becoming a monster is wrong.

Arguing with a demagogue by becoming a demagogue is wrong.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-03-03 10:28||   2020-03-03 10:28|| Front Page Top

#7 So is trying to use reason & facts arguing with a demagogue, Dron.
Thou should treat trolls as objects of derision!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-03-03 10:33||   2020-03-03 10:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Aaaargh !

[hops around, ranting with loaded revolver in hand discharging. Misses foot by inches.]

I'm sorry... having an awful time and can't even drink. Forget what I said... shit. Sorry, HM.

Posted by Dron66046 2020-03-03 10:37||   2020-03-03 10:37|| Front Page Top

#9  Thou should treat trolls as objects of derision!

I keep assuming people are meaning what they're saying. ☺ My error.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-03-03 10:39||   2020-03-03 10:39|| Front Page Top

#10 When you get a chance, Dron66046, click on the headline and read the thread, especially Dave D’s comment #38, reproduced below. The gentleman is an engineer’s engineer, who I understand spent his career designing highly technical parts for NASA’s various toys. I’ve seen none better than he at following logic to its inexorable conclusion, no matter his feelings on the subject — feelings he makes very clear, despite Mr. McCoy’s blanket condemnations.

We don't have many choices in dealing with Islamic aggression. Whenever I try to take inventory of our options in this struggle, the list I come up with is pretty short.

In all, I come up with fewer than a dozen distinct possibilities. All of them are bad. Most are VERY bad. A few are just plain horrific.

We could always just surrender, of course: Islam's stated mission is to convert the entire world to Islam, and many Muslims (apparently a growing number) fervently believe that is their manifest destiny. We could dispense with this entire struggle by becoming Muslims and being done with it.

We could try appeasement: buy them off by giving them what they want-- whether money, or license to slaughter all the Jews in Israel or elsewhere, whatever.

We could just ignore Islamic terrorism: shrug off atrocities like the Islamic attacks on 9/11 and those in Madrid, London, Bali, Israel and Beslan.

We could withdraw from the rest of the world and its troubles, keep our heads down and maintain a low profile. We've let our isolationist impulses reign before, maybe we can again.

We could go back to treating Islamic terrorism as a purely criminal matter. Hunt down the terrorists who attack us and prosecute them for their crimes-- but only after they've committed them. Judging by what I've been hearing a lot of liberals saying lately, this seems to be their preferred approach.

We could try to liberate and reform Islamic culture, on the theory that their violent impulses toward non-Muslims arise mainly from their abuse at the hand of despots. This is what we're doing now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe it will work; maybe it won't. Maybe it will only work half-assed, at far too high a price. We'll see. So far the results don't look very promising IMO.

We could try relying on intrusive domestic security measures, preventing future terrorist attacks by turning America into a police state-- complete with intrusive government monitoring of all aspects of our lives and suspension of habeus corpus. Anyone even suspected of terrorist activity or sympathies, simply disappears in the middle of the night.

We could respond to future terrorist attacks (or threat of attack) by brute conquest and subjugation: invade their countries, assassinate their political and religious leaders, outlaw Islam and bulldoze their mosques, and rule them with an iron fist.

We could resort to collective punishment, responding to terrorist attacks on American soil with extravagently disproportionate retaliation against their cities and their infrastructure. Repeated often enough, this will eventually lead to deterrence.

We could resort to expulsion and quarantine-- outlaw Islam within the U.S. and expel all Muslims, citizens or not. Forbid entry into the U.S., even for brief visits, to all Muslims regardless of country of origin, and all nationals of whatever religion from countries that are predominantly Muslim. Seal the Canadian and Mexican borders tight with orders to shoot to kill, and NOT ask questions later.

And finally, we could end this once and for all with a 30-minute war of utter annihilation: just nuke the entire Islamic world and let our descendents deal with a thousand years of collective guilt.

And that's it. You can combine some of the above in varying degrees, and there is some interpolation possible between some of the above; but I think this list pretty much outlines the range of possible responses to Islamic terrorism.

Not good. Not good, at all.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-03-03 11:00||   2020-03-03 11:00|| Front Page Top

#11 I read them all. Thank you, TW. The gentleman is so right. I agree one cannot take racial vendetta to it's bloody conclusion, but the jihad has been waged on us. Of course I believe there's a spiritual aspect to the very nature of the muslim ravager too, stemming from the christian world's own shameful apostasy, but I'd best not dwell on that.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-03-03 11:20||   2020-03-03 11:20|| Front Page Top

#12 It wasn't a downie, it was a meme mocking Internet Tough Guys[tm]. I guess lèse-majesté is a crime around here. Too easy for members of the 101st Chairborne Division to say "kill em all!" from behind a keyboard. Oh, the irony of defending the dignity of an alleged downie while simultaneously advocating for mass murder and genocide. How does something like that not trigger feelings of cognitive dissonance?

I still don't follow how this post means that we should continue to create problems and murder innocents in countries that don't concern us.

you dare to speak for some donkey grazing arsehole and his fucking scavenger family that willfully chooses the poison it's gonna die by ?

This is why I say arguing on Rantburg is just like arguing with the Left. Both deliberately misinterpret what you say, speak it back to you in a distorted form, and then attack the straw man they just created. But hey, credit to Dron66046 for at least attempting an argument of some kind, even a bad one, instead of the schoolyard name-calling that usually passes for argument around here.

When did I argue in favor of these people? I didn't. Read #3 again. Sheesh.

When you become a monster, it's just a matter of time before you turn on what you claimed to defend. In Afghanistan our government and military have been lying to us for a decade about what's been going on there. Becoming monsters turned them into monsters, and now they're predictably screwing us over.

The biggest threat to us is not Islam, it is our own governments that have claimed new, frightening powers for themselves in the name of fighting Islam. Where are today's young men more likely to die or be horribly maimed, physically or mentally? In a terrorist attack in our countries, or on the battlefield fighting a war with no defined end condition and no victory in sight?
Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-03-03 11:20||   2020-03-03 11:20|| Front Page Top

#13 I keep assuming people are meaning what they're saying.

Trolls are not people.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-03-03 11:39||   2020-03-03 11:39|| Front Page Top

#14 Thou should treat trolls as objects of derision!

I'm starting to suspect the Bible in Hebrew is much more interesting than the English version.
Posted by SteveS 2020-03-03 12:19||   2020-03-03 12:19|| Front Page Top

#15 Again, if you really want to face the truth, modern jihad was born out of America's misadventures, yes. Nobody can deny it. The UK helped propagate the power of the sasquatch in Asia too. Anybody at the Burg will tell you I've always maintained America must pull out of Afghanistan, and this meddling and nation-building is only hurting you and profiting some selfish people. Here we are solidly agreed.

But if you think a realization of past errors and an apology for opening Pandora's rape basement is enough to avoid the jihad, you're mistaken. Islamic jihad is here to stay until it's eradicated. The enemy is not the sort of people who will be appeased by a degree in a trumped up 'Afghan studies' course, or front seats in buses. You haven't wronged them that way. They have decided you are an affront to their god. Let that sink in.

Jihad is truly a monster, HM. You have just not seen it up close. God forbid that you or anyone you know should ever have to.

Your basic premise stems from a smug personal disaffect with your military, the 'ohh our boys are dying' refrain notwithstanding. You seem to believe they are just not worth your trust. If your boys say they are perceiving an imminent threat from these countries, the solution is not to tell the boys to shut up and turn off the lights. Yes, the solution has not been found yet, as TW has reminded above. It's a bloody, hit-and-miss ongoing process. I think it would be the overt opinion of mostly everybody here except you, that to choose the bloodier, 'inhumane' options would be wiser. Rantburgers are saints for what's really required. I know the lifeblood of the jihad, the clerics and pashas of doctrine that fester in mofussil towns and streets. I know how they become the Bin Ladens and Salauddins. The extent to which rage and sexual hedonism are seeped into the Umma, the level of their humanity and your humanity. Believe me. You live in an evolved society, while this has regressed into beyond animal.

The islamist ceases to remain human when he/she's gone beyond a certain level of commitment to Allah. And what is such a belief anyway ? An audacious expectation that the creator of humanity, the All in all will rush up to them and shake their hand for 'services rendered' ? It is a level of cheek for which God himself must hate them.

The biggest threat to us is not Islam, it is our own governments that have claimed new, frightening powers for themselves in the name of fighting Islam.

You have got to be kidding now.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-03-03 12:21||   2020-03-03 12:21|| Front Page Top

#16 Yeah, I'm an Internet tough guy, never fired a weapon in anger, don't even own one, and too old to start now. But I can still think and I think my survival instincts have served me well so far, the evidence being that after all these years I'm still alive.

My survival instinct, and all the evidence that I've seen and heard, tell me that if you give them an inch they'll take a mile. Like in Thailand where the trouble seems to be in the three southernmost provinces, some might be tempted to let the jihadis have those provinces. But then the Muslims will start to spill over into other provinces. They don't want peace, they want conquest and they won't stop with three provinces.

So, yeah, I'm a lot more comfortable in front of a computer than I would be with a rifle. But I voted for Ronald Reagan to get tough with the Soviets and I vote for Donald Trump to get tough with the muslims.

Collective punishment, expulsion and quarantine seem reasonable to me. I'm not quite ready for nuclear annihilation but, if the Mad Mullahs look like they might actually get their hands on a nuke, I might be. I think it would be better to confront them with conventional methods before it gets to that point instead of appeasing them until it does.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-03-03 12:23||   2020-03-03 12:23|| Front Page Top

#17 Modern jihad born out of America‘s misadventures?? Modern jihad was born out of the Muslim reaction to the fall of the Ottoman caliphate, championed by Hassan al-Banna, founder of the the Islamo-fascist Muslim Brotherhood, who told Muslims to take up the sword in 1924. Everything claimed subsequently is just facile justification for actions they were going to take anyway.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-03-03 19:13||   2020-03-03 19:13|| Front Page Top

#18 ^ This.
Posted by Matt 2020-03-03 22:14||   2020-03-03 22:14|| Front Page Top

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